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They Should Have What They Want

Ryan Holiday hosts this Daily Stoic podcast episode exploring the concept of finding a personal moral guide or 'Cato' to witness and guide our decisions. The discussion draws from The Daily Stoic 366 Meditations on Wisdom, Perseverance, and the Art of Living...

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Key Takeaways
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    Seneca advises having a respected witness figure to guide moral decisions: 'The soul should have someone it can respect'

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    Cato the Younger became a philosophical model despite writing nothing - his example alone inspired Stoics for centuries

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    Adam Smith's 'impartial spectator' concept parallels the Stoic practice of mental moral guidance

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    George Washington modeled his entire life around Cato's example, showing how ancient wisdom guides modern leadership

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    The goal is becoming someone worthy of serving as a moral example for others to follow

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    External achievements rarely satisfy: 'Has any conqueror ever been satisfied? Has any conquest ever not been underwhelming?'

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Ryan Holiday hosts this Daily Stoic podcast episode exploring the concept of finding a personal moral guide or 'Cato' to witness and guide our decisions. The discussion draws from The Daily Stoic 366 Meditations on Wisdom, Perseverance, and the Art of Living and references Seneca's Moral Letters.

The episode examines how Cato the Younger became a towering example for Stoics despite never writing philosophy, and connects this to Adam Smith's 'impartial spectator' concept from Adam Smith Can Change Your Life by Russ Roberts. Holiday also discusses how George Washington used Cato as his moral exemplar, referencing Tom Ricks' First Principles.

The Futility of External Conquests and Desires

Holiday opens by questioning whether external achievements ever truly satisfy: 'Has any conqueror ever been satisfied? Has any conquest ever not been a little bittersweet, a little underwhelming?'

The Stoic approach is to step back and let people choose for themselves rather than judging their pursuits, while focusing on our own attachment to externals.

We should examine where we've made happiness conditional on achievements or identities outside our control, remembering 'we have plenty right now, that we can feel good, feel enough right now.'

Seneca's Wisdom on Moral Witnesses

From Moral Letters 119, Seneca teaches: 'We can remove most sins if we have a witness standing by as we are about to go wrong.'

The soul needs 'someone it can respect, by whose example it can make its inner sanctum more inviolable' - a figure who can guide us even in their absence.

This witness doesn't need to be physically present but should be someone who can 'quietly admonish us if we are considering doing something lazy, dishonest, or selfish.'

Cato the Younger as the Ultimate Stoic Example

Cato appears constantly in Stoic literature despite writing nothing down, teaching no classes, and giving no interviews - his example alone made him a quoted philosopher.

As described in The Daily Stoic, Cato was 'a Roman politician best known for his self-discipline and his heroic defense of the Republic against Julius Caesar.'

For centuries, Cato served as the inspiring example for Stoics including Thrasea and Seneca, demonstrating how moral character transcends written philosophy.

Modern Applications and Historical Examples

Adam Smith's 'impartial spectator' concept, explored in Adam Smith Can Change Your Life by Russ Roberts, parallels the Stoic practice of mental moral guidance.

George Washington exemplified this principle by building his entire life around Cato's example, as detailed in Tom Ricks' First Principles.

Holiday suggests practical applications: 'What would you do if your kids were watching? What would you do if anyone was watching?'

The ultimate goal is becoming worthy of serving as a moral example yourself: 'perhaps we too can later serve as someone's Cato or spectator when someone else needs it.'

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