This interview features Bob Lazar, the original UFO whistleblower who in 1989 claimed to have worked at a secret facility called S4 near Area 51, reverse engineering extraterrestrial craft. Joining him is filmmaker Luigi Vendittelli, creator of the documentary 'S4: The Bob Lazar Story,' who spent four years meticulously recreating Lazar's experiences in hyper-realistic detail.

The conversation covers Lazar's childhood as a science-obsessed rule-breaker, his path from Los Alamos National Laboratory to the classified S4 program, and his detailed descriptions of working on craft with impossible physics. Key topics include the Element 115 fuel source, gravity wave propulsion systems, and the mysterious circumstances surrounding his departure from the program.

The interview also explores corroborating evidence, including NASA scientist Dr. Charles Buehler's anti-gravity experiments, map modifications made days after Lazar went public, and the role of books like UFOs and Nukes in documenting similar phenomena at nuclear facilities. Throughout, Lazar maintains his story has remained consistent for over three decades despite intense scrutiny.

From Jet Cars to Los Alamos: Lazar's Scientific Background

Lazar built a jet engine from scratch and installed it in his wife's Honda Civic, achieving a top speed of 212 mph at El Mirage Dry Lake in California

A front-page newspaper story about his jet car coincided with Edward Teller's visit to Los Alamos, leading to their meeting outside the lecture hall

At Los Alamos, Lazar worked on high-voltage power supplies for particle accelerators and maintained experimental equipment involving cryogenics and radioactive materials

Teller later provided contact information for EG&G when Lazar sent him a resume, though Teller publicly denied knowing Lazar in later interviews

Recruitment to S4: The Secret Facility South of Area 51

EG&G interviewed Lazar for two different positions, switching mid-interview to assign him to S4 at Papoose Lake after he returned from the bathroom

Interviewers focused on Lazar's after-work projects rather than technical knowledge, seeking someone who could 'think outside the box' to solve persistent problems

The facility featured nine hangars built into the side of Papoose Mountain, connected by long corridors painted in institutional green colors

Project Galileo aimed to duplicate UFO propulsion systems with Earth materials and develop methods to remotely disable the craft 'at all costs'

Inside the Sport Model: Craft Design and Impossible Physics

The 53-foot diameter craft had no supporting column holding up the main floor, a structural impossibility with any known Earth materials according to Luigi's analysis

The craft featured three seat-like objects that were actually gravity wave amplifiers, positioned above emitters that could focus energy in different configurations

Rectangular black areas around the top appeared 'blacker than black' and gave off an ominous, unnerving feeling when observed up close

During operation, archways became transparent and displayed three-dimensional symbols floating in air, not projected on any surface

Element 115 and the Gravity Reactor System

The reactor used Element 115 as fuel, bombarded by protons in what appeared to be a cyclotron arrangement to produce gravity waves

When operational, the reactor generated a repulsive force field that felt exactly like pushing magnets together but affected all matter equally

Barry demonstrated the field by throwing a golf ball at the reactor, which bounced off and hit ceiling tiles, requiring quick cleanup before Dennis returned

The reactor could freeze time locally - a lit candle's flame stopped flickering while remaining visible, and a mechanical watch stopped moving

Test Flights and Gravitational Lensing Effects

Lazar witnessed a test flight where the craft lifted silently with corona discharge glow, communicating via VHF radio suggesting a human pilot inside

Walking underneath the hovering craft, Lazar became invisible to observers due to gravitational lensing bending light around the vehicle

The craft operated in two modes: Omicron using one emitter for unstable movement, and Delta using all three for instantaneous travel exceeding light speed

During Delta configuration, the craft would 'jump' across space-time rather than travel linearly, with 10-millisecond recycle times between pulses

Modern Scientific Validation and Anti-Gravity Research

NASA's Dr. Charles Buehler has conducted over 2,000 anti-gravity experiments, achieving 1.9 millinewtons of thrust using only 400 volts in vacuum conditions

Buehler's experiments show thrust in the opposite direction of ion wind and continue operating even after power is removed, defying conventional physics

The principles match Townsend Brown's historical anti-gravity work, which also used high DC voltage and pulsed electric fields

Bismuth appears throughout anti-gravity research and UFO materials, possessing unique diamagnetic properties and relativistic electron behavior

Evidence and Government Response to Lazar's Claims

Maps of Papoose Lake were officially modified on May 23, 1989, exactly eight days after Lazar's first anonymous television appearance

The modifications specifically removed roads leading to the eastern side of Papoose Lake where S4 was allegedly located

George Knapp verified Lazar's Los Alamos employment by filming him at the facility, where guards recognized him and he knew door combinations

As documented in UFOs and Nukes, 167 nuclear facility guards have reported UFO encounters, suggesting ongoing government interest in these phenomena

Underwater UFO Bases and Recovery Operations

The Navy reportedly recovered the sport model craft from an underwater archaeological dig, not a desert crash site

The Silent War by Navy official John Pena Craven discusses retrieval of exotic technology from ocean floors, supporting underwater base theories

Congressman Tim Burchett identifies five ocean hotspots worldwide where UFO activity is concentrated in deep water areas

The craft's gravitational field effects would allow transmedium travel, explaining UFO sightings transitioning between air and water