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The 'Let's Find Out Mentality, Establishing Boundaries, and Controlling the Controllables | ASK ME ANYTHING

Ryan Michler, founder of Order of Man, and Kip Boyle discuss listener questions covering career decisions, mindset shifts, parenting strategies, and personal development. The conversation spans topics from calculated risk-taking and overcoming victim mentality to investment planning and maintaining friendships despite...

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Key Takeaways
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    Most men say family and health are important, but their calendars and bank accounts tell a different story - 'show me your schedule and spending' - Ryan

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    Stephen Covey's principle from The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People of 'starting with the end in mind' helps make better long-term decisions

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    Pete Roberts and Jocko's business philosophy: 'Our only objective is to win' - ego and credit don't matter if the idea helps achieve the goal

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    False dichotomies limit options - you can often pursue both purpose and financial success through creative third alternatives

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    The person asking questions actually controls and directs the conversation, not the one giving answers

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    Don't focus on things outside your control - instead 'stack the odds' by controlling what you can influence

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    Always be networking because 'your job is not guaranteed' and you need backup plans and industry connections

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Ryan Michler, founder of Order of Man, and Kip Boyle discuss listener questions covering career decisions, mindset shifts, parenting strategies, and personal development. The conversation spans topics from calculated risk-taking and overcoming victim mentality to investment planning and maintaining friendships despite relationship dynamics.

The discussion emphasizes practical action over theoretical knowledge, with both hosts sharing personal experiences about fatherhood, business decisions, and the importance of surrounding yourself with credible people. They reference Stephen Covey's The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People when discussing decision-making frameworks and the power of projecting yourself into future scenarios to evaluate current choices.

Teaching Kids What Your Father Didn't Teach You

Ryan wants his children to learn calculated risk-taking, something his father never demonstrated despite having talent and opportunities in the paint industry.

Kip emphasizes ensuring his kids truly know him as a person, unlike his own father who he only knew as a farmer - 'I never saw that guy do go to a movie theater' - Kip

Physical self-defense training emerged as a priority after Kip's childhood experiences: 'I got in fights all the time as a kid and nine times out of 10, I got my ass whooped' - Kip

Why Men Focus on Things Outside Their Control

There's a 'perceived sense of empowerment' in playing victim because it absolves responsibility - 'It's not my fault, there's nothing I did or didn't do' - Ryan

True empowerment comes from 'stacking the odds' by focusing on what you can influence rather than worrying about outcomes beyond your control.

Self-evaluation is essential for growth: 'If you don't ever consider your responsibility in something, then there is no growth for you' - Kip

Breaking False Career Dichotomies

The firefighter's dilemma of purpose versus money presents a false choice - creative solutions can combine both through side businesses or volunteer work.

Examples include firefighter-focused training businesses like 'Forged in Fire' podcast and 'Fit to Fight Fire' fitness programs that leverage professional credibility.

Using The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People framework: project yourself 20-30 years into the future and ask what decision would make you fulfilled looking back.

Changing Your Mind When Evidence Contradicts Beliefs

Pete Roberts and Jocko's approach: 'We know that the objective is to win. Whether it's my idea or his idea, if we think it'll help us win, it doesn't matter who gets credit' - Ryan

Surround yourself with credible people you respect - you're more likely to accept advice from those who have earned the right through their performance.

Operate from curiosity rather than judgment: 'Just be curious... operate in this space of I don't know, not enough information, that's interesting' - Kip

Strategic Salary Negotiation Timing

Don't wait for annual reviews to discuss raises - have early conversations about what the company needs to see to justify increased compensation.

Budget allocations are typically set by December, so timing matters more than performance when requesting increases.

Always be networking because 'your job is not guaranteed' - maintain industry connections and relationships as backup options.

Taking Action on Important Issues

Men often claim things are important but their calendars and spending don't reflect it: 'Pull up your calendar and pull up your bank account, show me' - Ryan

Get involved in local politics, school boards, or city council rather than just talking about issues in circles with other frustrated men.

Support credible voices like Sean Ryan and Ian Wendt who are bringing truth to corruption issues, but avoid sounding 'crazy and unhinged' which destroys credibility.

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