Dean Radin, Chief Scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences and former researcher at Bell Labs, Princeton, and the classified Stargate remote viewing program, discusses his latest work Science of Magic and decades of consciousness research. At 74, Radin brings a unique perspective shaped by Gilbert syndrome, a genetic condition that limits his physical recovery but provides remarkable cardiovascular benefits.

The conversation explores Radin's journey from violinist to electrical engineer to experimental psychologist, culminating in his work on telepathy, remote viewing, and psychokinesis. His research spans from Bell Labs' early psychic experiments to Princeton's Engineering Anomalies Research Laboratory, where he conducted meta-analyses of parapsychological phenomena.

Radin details his classified work on the Stargate program at SRI International, where he studied the limits and mechanisms of remote viewing alongside legendary practitioners like Joe McMoneagle and Ingo Swann. The discussion covers actionable intelligence gathered through psychic means, including cases confirmed by President Carter.

The conversation delves into cutting-edge genetic research identifying specific DNA markers associated with psychic abilities, suggesting the Inquisition may have systematically eliminated these traits from European populations. Radin also presents his company's breakthrough intranasal treatment for dementia that could potentially enhance human cognition and psychic sensitivity.

From Musician to Consciousness Researcher via Gilbert Syndrome

Radin's career pivot from violin to science was driven by Gilbert syndrome, a genetic mutation affecting liver enzymes that prevents exercise recovery but provides cardiovascular protection through elevated unconjugated bilirubin.

"Most people, when they exercise, you feel really good afterwards. I feel really exhausted" - Radin, explaining how the condition shaped his career away from music performance toward intellectual pursuits.

The genetic condition provides longevity benefits, with Radin showing zero cardiac calcium at age 74 despite high cholesterol, demonstrating how unconjugated bilirubin acts as a natural antioxidant.

Bell Labs and Early Psychic Technology Development

At Bell Labs, Radin conducted precognition experiments and developed neural network systems to identify individuals based on their psychokinetic signatures with random number generators.

"We're about to set a patent for this device because it worked" - Radin describing a mind-matter interaction technology that could identify users and their intentions without physical connection, similar to Neuralink but purely consciousness-based.

The Navy showed interest in the technology for submarine communication, but corporate acquisition shut down the project when new management "did not believe that it was possible" despite working prototypes.

Stargate Program: Government Remote Viewing Operations

Radin worked on the classified research side of Stargate at SRI International under Hal Puthoff and Ed May, requiring top secret SCI special access clearances where "even if you have a top secret clearance, you cannot know about this place."

President Carter publicly confirmed remote viewing success in locating a crashed nuclear bomber in Africa, with remote viewer Fran placing the target within "a couple of kilometers of that spot" using only map coordinates.

Research found no consistent psychological or physiological markers distinguishing talented remote viewers like Joe McMoneagle, except for natural talent and psychological openness to experience.

The refref-book-the-stargate-archivesStargate Archives document the program's four-volume declassified research, though military operational details and some research remain classified for methods and personnel protection.

Scientific Evidence for Telepathy and Psychic Phenomena

Meta-analysis of 150 years of telepathy research shows "very, very strong evidence that telepathy does exist" when proper controls eliminate coincidence and information leakage.

Modern experiments require strict isolation where "neither can know what the target is" and use automated systems to prevent any sensory communication between participants.

Military personnel readily accept psychic research because "they had to trust their intuition in making lots of decisions that affect other people, and they would not have risen through the ranks unless they were really, really good at it."

Submarine commanders reported crew members accurately sensing family emergencies while submerged at classified depths where "it's extremely difficult to get any kind of message there" through conventional means.

Genetic Basis of Psychic Abilities and Historical Suppression

The PsyGenes project identified 212 single nucleotide polymorphisms correlated with psychic experiences, with one showing "a probability of a million to one" statistical significance.

Psychically talented individuals showed "wild type" DNA with no unusual mutations, while control groups had significant mutations in intron sequences that regulate gene expression.

"Countries that were exposed to Christianity the longer they were exposed, the more this intron sequence was there, the mutation" - suggesting the Inquisition systematically eliminated psychic genetics through centuries of persecution.

The research indicates "The Inquisition had systematically looked for people over hundreds of years who had these abilities, and then they killed them," creating a non-evolutionary pruning of psychic traits from European populations.

Spoon Bending and Consciousness-Matter Interaction

Radin successfully bent a spoon's bowl 90 degrees without physical force at a "spoon bending party," demonstrating unexplained mind-matter interaction under controlled observation.

"I immediately look at my fingers. Did I do this by force? No. No indication, no indentation or anything" - Radin describing the impossibility of achieving the bend through normal means.

Metallurgical analysis suggests the effect involves "changing probabilistic structure at a very deep level, at the atomic level" causing grain boundaries to momentarily soften for about 20 seconds.

The experience required intense motivation - "if I don't do this, the universe will end" - demonstrating how traditional magic may work through extreme focused intention in altered states.

Breakthrough Dementia Treatment and Cognitive Enhancement

Cognigenics developed an intranasal RNA interference treatment targeting 5-HT2A receptors, showing "100% improvement in memory in mice and rats" along with "almost 100% reduction in anxiety."

The treatment works by downregulating the same receptors affected by psilocybin but "without the hallucinations" and lasting months rather than hours.

Primate studies confirm the compound crosses the blood-brain barrier and reaches the limbic system where memory is encoded, with two aggressive monkeys becoming "chill for 2 days afterwards."

The technology platform could potentially enhance psychic abilities once the complete genetic basis is understood, though ethical considerations require careful evaluation of consciousness-enhancing technologies.

Ultra-terrestrial Theory and Ancient Advanced Civilizations

Hal Puthoff's ultra-terrestrial hypothesis suggests UAPs represent "not from the future, they're from the past" - advanced civilizations that survived previous catastrophes and remain hidden.

Convergent evolution explains why reported aliens appear humanoid, similar to how auks and penguins independently evolved identical forms despite being completely different species from opposite poles.

Elongated skulls found in Peru show "30% larger brain capacity" and lack normal sagittal sutures, suggesting possible coexistence of different human species with superior cognitive abilities.

Ancient civilizations may have developed underground survival capabilities, choosing non-interference with surface populations similar to how "we don't visit North Sentinel Island" to avoid disrupting indigenous development.

Resources Mentioned

Dune

Frank Herbert's science fiction series cited as an example of how psychic abilities are portrayed in popular culture, specifically referencing the use of spice for prescient navigation through space.