The episode features Tom Segura, stand-up comedian and host of Your Mom's House podcast, discussing his dramatic weight loss journey, opening a croissant bakery in Austin called Chichobomba, and his Netflix special Teacher releasing Christmas Eve.

Segura details his transformation from 265 to 187 pounds through structured training with a personal trainer four days weekly, eating four 50-gram protein meals daily, carb cycling based on workout intensity, and maintaining strict sleep schedules including 5:30 AM wake-ups during writer's room sessions for season two of Bad Thoughts.

The conversation explores the importance of early morning workouts for mental clarity, the difference between cardio and weightlifting for silencing internal chatter, and how 45-minute versus 60-minute cardio sessions create dramatically different results.

Rogan and Segura discuss the evolution of stand-up comedy's reach through the internet, with multiple comedians now performing arena shows that were once only possible for Dane Cook and Andrew Dice Clay, the challenges of maintaining health while aging, and the bizarre discovery of ancient mummified beings in Peru with three fingers and three toes.

Tom Segura's 78-Pound Weight Loss Journey

Segura lost 78 pounds, dropping from 265 to 187 pounds while opening a croissant bakery, training four days weekly with a personal trainer who meets him every day

Nutritionist designed a plan with four meals daily, each containing 50 grams of protein (200 grams total), with carb cycling based on workout intensity - full portions of sweet potatoes or white rice on intense leg days, dialed back on rest days

Pre-workout meal consists of muesli-like grains with honey, almond butter, and Greek yogurt at 5:30 AM, followed by gym session with optional intra-workout shake, then second meal one hour post-workout

Sleep schedule shifted dramatically from 3 AM bedtimes to 10-10:30 PM to support 5:30 AM wake-ups during writer's room sessions, though normal schedule is 7-8 AM wake-up when kids are in school

"The biggest challenge for me has been to get to bed" - Tom, noting that sustainable lifestyle changes matter more than dramatic results that can't be maintained long-term

Morning Workouts and Mental Clarity

Rogan completely pivoted from preferring nighttime workouts to first-thing morning sessions, finding his whole day is set when he completes early training and feels dramatically different throughout the day without it

"It totally silences all that internal noise" - Rogan on cardio's unique mental benefits compared to weightlifting, which provides energy but cardio creates an "I don't give a fuck" mental state

Extending cardio sessions from 45 to 60 minutes created significant difficulty but dramatically improved results, with the final 15 minutes being hardest when already tired but most beneficial for expanding cardio capability

Segura found writer's room work requires being alert and focused without mental noise, making morning workouts essential for showing up ready to work after achieving that first big win

RFK Jr.'s Transformation and Heroin Past

RFK Jr. was a heroin addict for 14 years following his father's assassination when he was a child, with his uncle JFK also assassinated - "his fucking dad got shot in front of him... You wouldn't do heroin? You have no idea what you would do" - Rogan

At 70-something years old, RFK Jr. did 20 chin-ups in a row and looks incredible, demonstrating dramatic physical transformation despite his troubled past

Comparison drawn between aging trajectories: Trump and RFK Jr. are only seven or eight years apart in age but look dramatically different, illustrating the choice between maintaining health or declining

Stand-Up Comedy's Arena Evolution

Segura performed 40 arenas in 2024, with the internet making stand-up global and enabling multiple comedians to sell out massive venues that were once only possible for Dane Cook and Andrew Dice Clay

Nate Bargatze added a 3 PM show in Austin due to demand, with clean comedy enabling entire families to attend - "when Nate announces a show, that couple will bring their children, their parents, their in-laws, their neighbors" - Segura

Shane Gillis performing at Lincoln Financial Field football stadium for 90,000 people, Sebastian Maniscalco doing three arena shows in single cities, demonstrating unprecedented reach of modern stand-up

In-the-round venues like Phoenix Celebrity Theater and Westbury Music Hall create oddly intimate atmosphere despite large capacity - "it's not just a mass of people staring at a stage, we're all wrapped up together" - Segura

Louie CK advised moving to edges of round stages rather than staying in middle, as being further out opens you to more people and creates closer, more intimate connection with audience

Most memorable show was Vegas MGM Arena "Vegas is back" event with Dave Chappelle after COVID lockdowns ended - "there was a feeling in the air... people were out... it was like there's something to do again" - Segura

Jake Paul vs. Anthony Joshua Fight Analysis

Jake Paul's jaw was broken in two places by Anthony Joshua in round six, now wired shut for six weeks with lost teeth, after making it through earlier rounds with impressive movement and avoiding shots

"He clocked Anthony Joshua with a big right hand that knocked Tyron Woodley out cold, but Joshua just eats it because he's a giant" - Rogan, noting Joshua weighed 216 pounds without abs while Paul could easily make 190

Paul earned respect for willingness to fight two-time heavyweight champion, former Olympic gold medalist who's 110 pounds bigger - "that guy has fucking balls... nothing but respect" - Rogan

Paul's cardio remains his biggest weakness, getting tired in later rounds across multiple fights including Nate Diaz bout, needing world-class strength and conditioning coaches monitoring heart rate variability and VO2 max

Rogan's advice to Paul: "don't do this very long because there's a price that you pay that is not worth it" - citing depression, brain imbalance, addiction that affects many fighters who continue too long

"That one was like 10 punches... it was a lot of concussions in that one punch... if someone's breaking your jaw in two places, there's a lot of damage going on inside your head too" - Rogan on the Joshua knockout

Alex Pereira's Devastating Power

Alex Pereira recorded 190 on punch machine compared to Francis Ngannou's 129, with referee Marc Goddard stating after 20 years: "the sound that guy makes... the sound is ungodly. It's different"

Pereira currently weighs 240+ pounds at 6'4" or 6'5", with significant chatter about him fighting in heavyweight division, potentially facing Cyril Gane despite being light heavyweight champion

"That dude is a legitimate Amazon warrior. He comes from a tribe in the Amazon, and he goes back to that tribe... he would have been the fucking tribal warlord, the king back in the day" - Rogan

Pereira speaks the dialect of his Amazon tribe and maintains connection to his ancestry, representing a different level of genetic warrior capability beyond just training and dedication

Red Light Therapy Vision Improvement

Red light therapy using 670 nanometer wavelengths improved Rogan's declining vision by boosting mitochondrial function in retinal cells, with morning exposure most effective and effects lasting up to a week

Studies show short sessions like three minutes weekly can enhance color contrast vision by 17-20% in adults over 34, with greater gains in older participants through reduced inflammation and improved visual acuity

Rogan does 20-minute sessions three times weekly, no longer needing glasses for text messages, emails, or computer work after initially thinking it was making eyesight worse during adjustment period

Combined with Purin Cap Macular Support supplements containing ingredients Huberman confirmed as beneficial, the protocol dramatically improved Rogan's ability to read screens without glasses

Therapy supports retinal health by reducing inflammation, slowing photoreceptor decline, with emerging evidence helping dry eyes, myopia progression in children, and diabetic retinopathy

Peru's Tridactyl Mummies Discovery

Mummified remains discovered in Peru show three-foot-tall beings with big heads, three fingers, three toes, dated to 1,200 years old, with CT scans revealing complete ligament and tissue structure of living beings

Beings have different scapula than humans, no sternum but same number of ribs with different structure, unique fingerprints on three digits, and golden metallic implants including one in forehead

One being named Montserrat was pregnant when mummified, with skull lines different from human patterns - "if you just saw the outside, you'd go oh that's a cool sculpture, but when you see the actual ligaments and tendons, you go oh this is a living being" - Rogan

Ancient Peruvian artwork depicted these three-fingered, three-toed beings with big eyes for over a thousand years before mummies were discovered by grave robbers who won't reveal exact locations

Jesse Michaels went to Peru and touched the mummies during CT scans, reporting it feels surreal because "it's so obvious that it was a real living thing" with country refusing to allow removal for testing

"I don't understand how that's not like the lead story in the news everywhere... they found aliens. That's an alien body" - Segura, questioning why discovery isn't dominating headlines

Amazon Rainforest's Man-Made Origins

Amazon rainforest density is largely man-made from agriculture plants that grew out of control, with native soil not conducive for growing most things without terra preta - thick, dark, man-made compost soil layer

Percy Fawcett's reports of golden cities in Amazon were dismissed as false when search party 100 years later found nothing, but he wasn't lying - European diseases wiped out millions and jungle consumed wooden structures in century

LIDAR technology flying over Amazon reveals aqueducts, roads, buildings, and streets all covered by jungle, showing millions lived there with advanced infrastructure before disease devastation

During ice age, equator areas like Amazon had lush, perfect climate supporting huge populations and advanced civilizations, evidenced by incredible structures found throughout those regions

Uncontacted Amazon tribes encountered today are likely survivors of much larger civilizations that were decimated when Europeans brought diseases that killed millions in short timespan

SLOOP332 Exercise Peptide

SLOOP332 peptide tested on obese mice reduced fat gain by 10-fold compared to controls, promoted 12% body weight loss, and enhanced metabolic function without altering appetite or activity levels

Peptide essentially tricks body into thinking it exercised, providing exercise benefits in injection form - "it's exercise, dude. Exercise in a peptide" - Rogan

Segura has taken SLOOP332 in pill form, reporting it felt like nothing but is available on Amazon and through compound pharmacies without prescription requirement

Brigham Buhler told Rogan "there's so much stuff on the horizon, so much groundbreaking stuff" when asked about exercise-mimicking peptides and emerging health technologies

NAD and High-Dose Vitamin Therapy

Segura discovered NAD therapy during Bad Thoughts season one filming when getting cold - three days of 500mg high-dose NAD completely eliminated illness that normally would last weeks

Rogan's COVID routine included NAD along with IV vitamins, though he didn't mention NAD in his public video - recommends high-dose vitamin C intravenously when not feeling well

Second time Rogan tested positive for COVID, he came to studio sniffly straight from gym joking "must be COVID," tested positive, received IV vitamin drip and NAD, was negative 24 hours later

"High dose of vitamin C is amazing... it gives your body all the weapons that it needs to fight off whatever the fuck it's dealing with" - Rogan on intravenous vitamin therapy benefits

Chichobomba Croissant Bakery Launch

Segura partnered with Italian baker Gian Basta to open Chichobomba bakery in Austin, with name meaning little fat ass kid in Italian (bomba means explode, referring to chubby children)

Croissants require three-day process for proofing bread in special cabinets, with baker also making sfogliatella, bombolone, homemade pizza, lasagna with brisket, and various inspired daily creations

Pop-up location has sold out every single day since opening, with fixed location scheduled to open in March 2025 - Segura fell in love with bakery when living in LA at 265 pounds

Segura's marketing role leverages his credibility in food: "I've eaten at the best restaurants all over the world... if there's one thing I completely trust myself on, is if I'm like this tastes good"

When visiting bakery, Segura takes one bite of items to taste them and gives rest away, allowing himself full pastry once weekly maximum to maintain weight loss

Saudi Arabia Riyadh Festival Experience

Segura performed at Riyadh Festival alongside Kevin Hart, Bill Burr, Dave Chappelle with only two restrictions: no jokes about Islam or Saudi royals, which didn't affect his act at all

Saudi audiences were highly educated, getting all references including throwaway lines - "they were all just so warm and welcoming... such huge admirers of American comedy and American podcasts" - Segura

Festival represents Saudi Arabia's attempt to compete with Dubai as Middle East entertainment hub, with government's Saudi Entertainment Fund (same fund that paid Beyonce and Ed Sheeran) financing shows

"10 years ago, nothing like this could have ever happened here" - Saudi citizens told performers, viewing festival as sign of progress including women now being allowed to drive

Comics who criticized Segura for performing often had restrictions at universities ("don't talk about our mascot") and many were "50-year-old feature acts that weren't invited" expressing jealousy

"If you saw the faces of these people... how genuinely thankful and excited they were to be at these shows... I don't know how you don't see that as some type of progress" - Segura

Ancient Structures and LIDAR Discoveries

Oregon stone structure dated to 18,250 years ago discovered with camel teeth fragments under Mount St. Helens volcanic ash layer from 15,000+ years ago, plus two agate scrapers with preserved bison blood residue

Sage Wall in Montana debated between geologists - some say natural formation, others see evidence of tooling with drill holes, though certain angles look suspiciously man-made with stacked appearance

Machu Picchu stones designed with interlocking angles rather than stacked bricks to better redistribute earthquake energy, with base structures way more complex and bigger than layers above them

Segura visited Machu Picchu three times, each time thinking "I don't understand... it's all theories, everyone's like this is how, and you're like yeah but you don't know that"

Predominant alternative historian theory suggests water was much higher in Machu Picchu area historically, with enormous seismic changes from earthquakes explaining construction methods and location

Televangelist Scams and Private Jets

Kenneth Copeland defended using private aircraft in viral exchange, with Jesse Duplantis asking congregation for $65 million to buy jet, claiming Tyler Perry gave him deal on plane

Pastor locked church doors demanding $40,000 from congregation - "there's a thousand of you, close them doors... we are not leaving" before collecting donations

Joel Osteen refused to let homeless into his Houston megachurch arena during Katrina flooding until public pressure shamed him into opening doors, eventually relenting under criticism

"We allow that scam... if you're so dumb that you think Robert Tilton has got a red line to Jesus, you're going to write a check to me, the devil's going to win" - Segura on accepted religious fraud

Televangelists operate tax-free as religious organizations despite wearing super expensive suits, owning G4 jets, and living lavishly off congregation donations

PCR Testing False Positives

Recent estimates suggest PCR testing false positives might have been as high as 86% during COVID pandemic, with inventor Kerry Mullis saying it should never be used to detect diseases

Mullis stated "if you ramp the cycles up high enough, you could find almost anything in people" - PCR testing not designed for disease detection despite widespread use

Segura tested positive on Zoom-monitored test, threw it out window when asked where it was, claimed "my kid just threw it out the window," waited a week and retested

Rogan's second positive test came when he arrived at studio sniffly from gym, jokingly said "must be COVID" to nurse Mercy, was shocked when actually positive, went negative 24 hours after NAD treatment