Joe Rogan interviews Dan Reklis, director of the documentary The Age of Disclosure, which examines government knowledge of unidentified aerial phenomena through interviews with 34 high-level officials.

Reklis spent four years conducting interviews with members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Senate Armed Services Committee, former directors of national intelligence, military personnel, and scientists involved in classified UAP programs.

The conversation covers the structure of secret crash retrieval programs, reverse engineering efforts by defense contractors, biological effects from UAP encounters, remote viewing programs, and the political obstacles preventing full disclosure.

Reklis describes making the film in secrecy after being warned by intelligence officials, experiencing surveillance including black helicopters over his home, and facing resistance from major distributors despite strong audience response.

The Scale and Structure of Secret UAP Programs

"Beyond convinced" that the U.S. has recovered "dozens, dozens of crashed craft of non-human origin" since the 1940s, according to multiple senior intelligence and military sources - Dan

The legacy program involves thousands of people working full-time jobs who go home to their families, with the scale being "much bigger than people would suspect" according to those with direct knowledge

CIA serves as "quarterback" of the entire operation, coordinating Air Force recovery teams (who have aircraft and rapid response capability), defense contractors (who provide reverse engineering expertise), and Department of Energy specialists (who handle high-radiation materials)

Defense contractors specifically named as involved: Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, and Battelle, with over a trillion dollars spent across 80 years of operations

"Technology we have would not be pulled out even to stop a world war. It would not, those cards would not be shown until moments before like a nuclear war situation" - intelligence source quoted by Dan

Presidential Exclusion and Congressional Deception

Marco Rubio states on camera that "this has been kept from sitting presidents" and details how career bureaucrats have maintained control by blocking presidential access

Trump learned the "base facts" during his first presidency - that we're not alone and crash craft have been recovered - and contemplated public disclosure, requesting Treasury Secretary Mnuchin get briefed on economic impacts

Jay Stratton briefed Mnuchin because Trump "was thinking about going public" and Mnuchin "needed to be able to evaluate what the impact would be to the economy" - Stratton on camera

Tulsi Gabbard has been "very recently" tasked by Trump with "getting to the bottom of the situation and finding out for him what he needs to know that he doesn't know" - Dan

Lying to Congress represents "clear felonies" involving misappropriation of funds, with Rubio stating defense contractors occasionally slip technological advancements into commercialized products without oversight

Deliberate Downing of Craft Through Nuclear Testing

"Some of the crashes were actual crashes, where just, you know, crashes happen, just like they do for, you know, you can drive as safe as possible, fly as safe as possible, crashes are gonna happen. But some of them were actually caused" - Dan

High-altitude nuclear testing in the 1950s was discovered to have a "ripple effect that can down these things," leading to deliberate use of nuclear detonations to bring down UAP craft

"They did it on purpose" to acquire craft, with Russia also engaging in the same practice, creating risks of accidental nuclear conflict and provoking more advanced species

UAP Task Force under Jay Stratton "put together a plan to lure in UAP" using the presence of nuclear materials without actual testing, successfully attracting craft and collecting data

Warp Bubble Technology and Propulsion Systems

Hal Putoff and Eric Davis explain craft create a "bubble that separates the craft from the environment around it. The environment becomes irrelevant" through warping space-time in a localized area

The warp bubble enables transmedium capability (air, water, space), frictionless movement with no splash, and explains why radar fails ("radar is just going around the bubble") and photographs appear blurry

Two prevailing theories for energy generation: tapping into zero-point energy (only theorized by humans) or using quantum entanglement to pull energy from elsewhere

The Tic Tac incident craft required "the electrical output of the entire United States for a week" worth of energy to perform observed maneuvers from sea level to 80,000 feet repeatedly all day

Warp bubble explains eyewitness reports of beings appearing to move in slow motion (Ariel School, Zimbabwe) and craft interiors being larger than exteriors ("40 feet outside, football field inside")

Bob Lazar's 1989 description of gravity-defying devices using element 115 and creating a gravity drive aligns with current scientific understanding of warp bubble technology

Underwater UAP Activity and Ocean Operations

"Giant football-size craft" tracked by U.S. submarines moving at extraordinary speeds underwater, with one specific report of a football-field-sized object traveling at 500 knots "with no ripples"

Congressman Andre Carson states on record that UAP emerging from oceans "are not man-made aircraft, they are not rockets, these are otherworldly things" - Carson

Underwater activity predates the 1950s according to admirals and submarine commanders interviewed off the record, suggesting long-term ocean-based operations

Special Forces recovery operation in ocean encountered a functioning "giant craft" that came up next to them and retrieved the craft they were attempting to recover, with the SEAL "in the water just shitting his pants"

Oceans represent "the most logical place" to hide from humanity as "the majority of our planet" with one admiral noting "we've scanned the surface of the moon in more detail than we have the bottom of our oceans"

Multiple Non-Human Species and Contact Events

"At least four body types" have been recovered according to those with visibility to crash retrieval programs, with "the universe is full of life" and "no one answer" to what they are

Species types described include Grays (Close Encounters appearance), Nordics/Tall Whites, and small bot-like beings that "don't seem sentient" and appear to be artificial workers or drones

Holloman Air Force Base contact event involved "two non-human crafts approached the base, one landed, beings walked out and interacted with Air Force officials and CIA officials" with beings described as "tall, slender, humanoid"

"You humans don't know your full potential" - thought communication received by intelligence official interacting with dying non-human being during recovery operation

Some craft appearances may be "donations" or "gifts" intentionally left outside military bases rather than crashes, possibly representing "a big IQ test" or attempt to advance human technology

Jay Stratton "has seen with his own eyes non-human craft and non-human beings" in situations both classified and unclassified, with plans to discuss publicly "in the very near future"

Biological Effects and Medical Consequences

"A number of military personnel and scientists that have worked for defense contractors" have "biological effects, like real issues, cancer, immune, you know, autoimmune issues" from UAP encounters

"A number of people have died of cancer after being around these things" without proper medical support or compensation, with families left with unpaid medical bills

Getting close to craft is "like getting close to a huge electrical system" due to immense energy generation from space-time warping, causing severe radiation exposure

Varginha, Brazil incident: police officer who physically carried injured non-human being developed "horrific bacterial infection that they could not cure" and died

Department of Defense official experienced directed energy weapon attack from UAP hovering over his house, showing "all of the medical signs of a directed energy attack" and developing cancer

Gary Nolan serves as one of the "go-to doctors" for intelligence community members experiencing biological effects, with specific medical protocols developed for UAP-related injuries

Reverse Engineering Progress and Technology Race

"I personally think we have cracked this technology a lot more than people realize. I don't think you spend over a trillion dollars and have thousands of people working on a deeply hidden program every year for 80 years and not make progress" - Dan

"Some of the UAP we're seeing might be our reverse engineered technology" according to multiple interview subjects, with successful development of craft capable of traveling "through the solar system"

Rubio's "biggest fear" is "we are in a high-stakes technology race" and "if we don't get our act together and take this more seriously as a country, we're going to wake up one day" and find "China got there"

Senator Rounds states China "wouldn't use this technology for their domination if they didn't think we had access to this," with multiple officials "extremely concerned about how close they were" in the race

Lockheed Martin possessed a recovered craft that was being transferred to UAP Task Force for broader scientific access, but "the head of science and technology at the CIA shut it down in the middle of the transfer"

Bell Labs conspiracy theory suggests transistor and fiber optics came from Roswell crash back-engineering in 1947, with proximity to military base possibly for rapid recovery team deployment rather than NYC defense

Remote Viewing and Consciousness Abilities

Hal Putoff created and ran Stargate program for CIA and DOD in mid-1970s after CIA handler revealed "the Russians have a 10-year remote viewing program" and gave him "a blank checkbook" to catch up

Jimmy Carter publicly confirmed remote viewer provided "latitude and longitude" of downed plane in Africa, with satellite confirming exact location, demonstrating operational use of psychic intelligence

Putoff "baked into Army basic training, testing that can identify people with these skill sets" to recruit remote viewers, as "everyone can do it" but some have natural ability "like a Michael Jordan"

Intelligence official working on quantum entanglement for CIA in "mid-70s" decades before public awareness, demonstrating Black Project Science operates 30+ years ahead of public knowledge

UAP encounters can trigger remote viewing abilities: intelligence official developed capabilities after brain surgery to remove parasites, discovering childhood Air Force enlistment documents with Space Intelligence Communications service code

"Everyone can pick up the ball and throw it at the hoop. And some people have a natural instinct to do it better" - analogy used by current government remote viewing official

Specific Military Base Incidents and Encounters

Vandenberg Air Force Base 2003: Air Force security guard and five colleagues witnessed "giant UAP the size of a football field" hovering over base before shooting off "at thousands of miles an hour" with police report obtained

Top Gun base incident: craft "dropped to above the tarmac in front of the base commander" with planned official testimony cancelled after senior naval intelligence official intervened to suppress evidence

Rendlesham Forest 1980s: base commander confirms CIA and Air Force Intelligence administered sodium pentothal (truth serum) to witnesses, performed hypnosis, removed materials in crates, and established direct White House communication line during event

Area 51 UAP activity confirmed as "real" by James Clapper, former Director of National Intelligence and head of Air Force Intelligence, in his first public UAP statement

Nuclear weapons sites show concentrated UAP activity with multiple military personnel reporting encounters, reflecting concern about humanity's "territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons" status

Stigma, Surveillance, and Suppression Tactics

The stigma around this was created by CIA in "early 50s, late 40s" through psychological operations to "make people think they're crazy. Make people think they're a wacko. Make tinfoil hat jokes"

Black helicopter appeared "right above my house" during interview preparation with intelligence official who said "Yeah, that'll happen" as routine surveillance message

Senate Intelligence Committee staff member John Estrich experienced "same kind of activity at his house every time he'd have an important meeting" as intimidation tactic

Two potential interview subjects "thought it would cost them their lives" to participate, both using the word "forfeiting" independently when declining to appear on camera

Film made "in secrecy" for four years after intelligence officials warned "it's not in your best interest to promote the fact you're doing this" due to parties who would "try to cause problems"

Major distributors and streamers "watched it, they loved it, they said all these great things, but then they didn't end up moving forward" despite 20 million trailer views and standing ovations at 1,100-seat screenings

Path Forward: Amnesty and Disclosure Strategy

"Amnesty is something that's gonna have to be figured out because while it's hard for anyone to accept letting people off the hook for wrongdoings, it does seem like it's in the best interest of the bigger picture" - Dan

Rubio states on camera: "this is not a endeavor to go and punish anyone, but we need to know what they learned" emphasizing knowledge acquisition over prosecution

"Real whistleblower protection" needed beyond current laws to protect Special Forces and intelligence personnel who fear "forfeiting their lives" for coming forward with classified information

Proposed presidential disclosure: "sitting president has to step to the microphone and say, definitively, humanity is not alone in the universe. We have recovered technology of non-human origin. So have other nations"

Trump administration "discussing internally" disclosure strategy with film awareness at highest levels, potentially positioning for "the single greatest moment a leader could have in the history of humanity"

"Mass congressional hearings and a real conversation about amnesty" needed as only path forward, as overclassification and compartmentalization "actually hurting progress" in reverse engineering efforts