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Kane hosts Uneasy Money with co-hosts Taylor Monaghan (security expert) and Luca Netz (Pudgy Penguins CEO). The episode covers major developments in decentralized trading, gaming, and token governance structures.
The conversation explores Hyperliquid's evolution into a global macro trading venue, Pudgy Penguins' launch of their immersive browser game Pudgy World, and Across protocol's proposal to convert tokens into equity. The hosts also discuss the fundamental challenges with current token structures and the need for clearer rights and disclosures in crypto investments.
Hyperliquid Becomes the World's 24/7 Casino
Hyperliquid's oil perpetual (CL USDC) processed over $1.2 billion in daily volume with nearly $200 million in open interest and $75 million in liquidations during the Iran crisis.
"Everything suddenly works if you have a highly liquid venue. Things that people have tried that didn't before all of a sudden work" - Kane on why commodity perps succeed now when they failed in 2021.
Hyperliquid's success stems from choosing an L1 architecture that enabled a proper order book rather than "weird hybrid AMM systems with janky components" that prevented liquidity aggregation.
The team optimized for liquidity outcomes rather than ideological decentralization, allowing them to build genuinely competitive infrastructure that unlocked permissionless markets.
Pudgy World Ships After Three Years of Development
Pudgy World launched as a free browser game at pudgyworld.com, averaging 20,000 daily active users and built entirely in-house using WebGL/3.js technology.
"There's only a couple people in the world who can build a product like that. It's really a developer and talent issue" - Luca on the technical complexity of browser-based 3D experiences.
The game connects to Walmart toy purchases through QR codes, allowing users to scan toys, create NFT characters, and play in the immersive world without downloading software.
Pudgy Penguins received a trademark lawsuit from the original Penguin brand, which Luca called "the most frivolous lawsuit" he's seen, comparing two completely different penguin designs.
"Crypto onboarding has to be a tech stack and not a hook" - Luca on keeping crypto rails invisible to mainstream users while maintaining underlying blockchain functionality.
Across Proposes Token-to-Equity Conversion
Across is conducting a governance vote to allow ACX token holders to exchange tokens for equity in a new company or redeem for USDC at a 25% premium to market price.
The proposal represents a "take private" transaction with a fully diluted valuation of approximately $70 million, up from $50 million before the announcement.
DeFi critics argue this betrays crypto's global accessibility: "ACX stops being freely tradable on DEXs. If they ever IPO, that liquidity goes to TradFi instead."
The move reflects broader challenges with undefined token rights and the need for structured disclosure regimes in crypto investments.
The Critical Need for Token Structure Reform
"You can't find three bigger problems than this" - Kane rating token structure issues as 9 out of 10 importance for crypto's future.
Current tokens are "unique snowflakes" with informal Twitter promises instead of formal rights, making market efficiency impossible when "90% of people will not touch them."
Robert Leschner's Superstate aims to create structured token-equity hybrids with clear disclosures and rights while maintaining global 24/7 liquidity benefits.
"The sole reason to have disclosures and clarity around token holder rights is to make the market more efficient" - Kane on why enforcement matters for capital allocation.
The hosts plan to bring Leschner on the show to discuss solutions, with Luca hinting at his own token structure innovations coming before Q2.
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