In this episode, host Chris sits down with Preston Dennett, a veteran UFO researcher, author of over 25 books, and host of a popular YouTube channel covering high-strangeness contact cases. Dennett has spent decades conducting formal interviews with hundreds of experiencers and has developed a reputation for identifying patterns across thousands of cases worldwide.

The conversation opens with Dennett's own encounters — from a missing-time incident at age 9 to a fully conscious onboard experience on his birthday in 2022 — before expanding into the broader ET agenda. Topics covered include the extraterrestrial healing phenomenon documented across 300 cases, the deliberate UFO display pattern over schools and drive-in theaters, the consistent anti-nuclear messaging from multiple ET species, whistleblower accounts from nuclear facilities, the connection between UFOs and Bigfoot, MILABS operations, and the role of out-of-body experiences in expanding human psychic ability. Key works referenced throughout include Journeys Out of the Body, Faded Giant, Communion, and Dennett's own Symmetry and UFO Healings.

Preston Dennett's Personal ET Encounters and UFO Investigator's Disease

Ed Conroy coined the term 'UFO Investigator's Disease' after developing his own contact experiences while researching Whitley Strieber's case documented in Communion — a pattern Dennett confirmed by surveying other researchers and then experiencing himself.

In July 1992, while driving home from his brother's house in Woodland Hills, Dennett encountered a ping-pong-ball-sized white orb that hovered inches from his windshield, traversed the glass side to side, then shot upward — after which he has no memory of driving home, indicating missing time.

Dennett's family carries a generational contact pattern: his brother had a classic flying saucer sighting on Reseda Boulevard with two friends, his sister-in-law encountered Grays near Stagg Street Elementary School at midnight, and his brother had a palpable subcutaneous implant that later disappeared.

On his birthday, May 6th, 2022, Dennett was pulled through his bedroom wall in Reseda and hurtled through space before finding himself on a craft approximately 500 miles above Earth — a round room with windows all the way around and two rows of dazed human passengers of various ethnicities.

A tall, rail-thin hybrid woman with huge blue wraparound eyes and tightly curled blonde hair performed an initial health check before allowing him to explore.

He immediately recognized a 7-8 foot tall Gray he calls 'Mama,' previously described by contactee Dolly Safran in Symmetry, who communicated telepathically: 'Is this what you thought it would be like?' Dennett replied it was far better.

Mama handed him a thick glass tumbler — the same vessel described in Symmetry — containing approximately 3 ounces of translucent green liquid tasting of kiwi and lime, explained by Dolly Safran as protection against radiation exposure from the craft or the beings themselves.

During a 1994 CSETI meditation in Topanga Canyon, Dennett received a persistent telepathic impression to 'look up,' upon doing so witnessed a light that expanded to cover roughly a third of the sky — later identified by Dolly Safran as a 'light gate' — while a major craft was simultaneously sighted one mile away.

Out-of-Body Experiences: Monroe's Method and Psychic Awakening

After his mother's death at 49, Dennett began seeing her apparition and experiencing false awakenings in which she visited him, which led him to Journeys Out of the Body by Robert Monroe — a book he credits as transformative for providing concrete exercises that produced reliable results within weeks.

Monroe's described vibratory state — a mild electric shock preceding exit from the body — was anything but mild for Dennett: 'I was absolutely sure I had stuck my finger in the light socket next to my bed because I was being electrocuted,' followed by an uncontrolled flight into his bathroom where he saw no reflection in the mirror.

Dennett identifies four obstacles preventing people from achieving OBEs: fear, skepticism, ignorance, and laziness. He offers a free 2-page guide via [email protected] and states that following the steps almost guarantees results.

Regular OBE practice dramatically amplified Dennett's psychic abilities: he developed workplace telepathy, precognitive visions (including seeing a dangerous man at a bank ATM before arriving), and eventually visited his deceased mother in what he describes as heavenly realms where 'everything sparkles and radiates light from within.'

Robert Monroe's vision — expressed in Journeys Out of the Body — was that if 1,000 or 10,000 people had an OBE there would be no more wars. Both Dennett and the host independently arrived at the same conviction after their own experiences.

The host described his own spontaneous OBEs occurring one month after interviewing remote viewer Joe McMoneagle, noting the same terrifying voice distortion Dennett experienced in early attempts: his own voice dropping to a demonic register when he tried to speak.

The ET Healing Agenda: 300 Cases and a Clear Pattern

Dennett's UFO Healings, originally documenting 100 cases and now expanded to 300, grew from a single article after he found only one prior piece on the subject — Gordon Creighton's work in the Flying Saucer Review — despite every major researcher having cases in their files.

A verified case from Dennett's early research: a woman scheduled for surgery to remove a fallopian tube cyst was visited by Grays the night before; her doctor the next day found no cyst, noted fluid consistent with laser surgery, and said 'it looks like you've had an operation — where did you go?'

Jacques Vallée's famous French case of a medical doctor healed of an axe wound and partial paralysis from the Algerian War is cited alongside dozens of others spanning cancer, tuberculosis, diabetes, arthritis, kidney disease, and back conditions — including a Norwegian woman healed by a device resembling a lint roller pressed to her spine.

Approximately 10-20% of healing cases occur in hospital rooms, with multiple witnesses, suggesting deliberate targeting of medical environments — a pattern Dennett connects to the broader ET interest in human health.

The pattern of who gets healed is not random: 'They're healing the healers.' Dennett found doctors, nurses, teachers, artists, musicians, animal rights activists, environmentalists, and social workers disproportionately represented — people doing good work for humanity.

A Sedona couple told Dennett the ETs explained directly: 'We're helping those who help others. We can only intervene to a limited degree.'

One contactee was told her healing was possible because she 'basically died' in a car accident, but that some conditions cannot be healed because they are karmic lessons chosen before birth.

David Jacobs, whose generally negative framing of ET encounters is noted, nonetheless has a case of someone cured of diphtheria in his files. Dennett suggests the witness herself felt the encounter was 'actually really nice' and that Jacobs may have downplayed it to fit his threat narrative, as explored in Secret Life.

The ET Publicity Campaign: Schools, Drive-Ins, and Deliberate Displays

Frank Salisbury coined the term 'UFO display' in The Utah UFO Display to describe cases of deliberate self-presentation. Dennett extended this framework to identify over 100 schoolyard cases — now approaching 200-300 — sharing consistent features: daytime, low-altitude, long-duration, with humanoids visible in one-third of cases.

The schoolyard pattern includes the 1966 Westall case in Australia, the Ariel Elementary School case in Zimbabwe, Broadhaven Wales, Crestview Elementary in Florida (one year to the day after Westall), and Hillsdale College in Michigan where a UFO landed for 2 hours with 87 student, faculty, and police witnesses.

Raymond Fowler, whose work on Betty Andreasson is documented in The Andreasson Affair, noted in April 1966 that 8 of his 15 current cases were over schools.

Jim and Coral Lorenzen concluded these were 'preparation of some kind — maybe they're going to openly contact humanity.'

Dennett discovered over 100 drive-in theater UFO cases after initially thinking a 1972 Paramount Drive-In sighting reported by a coworker was unique — cases share the same display characteristics: craft hovering over the screen, releasing smaller objects, responding to flashing headlights.

The 1952 Terrace Drive-In case in Bakersfield produced a police report marked 'Action' in red and sent simultaneously to the commanding general at Wright-Patterson AFB, the head of intelligence in Washington D.C., and the commander of Ent Air Force Base — proving early official awareness.

Drive-in audiences represent a controlled, captive group — large enough to be significant, small enough to be manageable, and unable to easily disperse.

Major UFO waves correlate with world events: the November 1957 wave of car-stallings and landings across the US coincided with Sputnik; the 1954 French wave coincided with early anti-gravity research and CERN's establishment; the Farmington Wave on St. Patrick's Day coincided with the announced discovery of the artificial radioactive element Californium.

The Consistent ET Message: Nukes, War, Environment, and Greed

Thomas Bullard's analysis of 300+ onboard cases established a consistent sequence: physical examination, tour of the craft (engine room, then observation deck showing stars, Earth, Moon, and sometimes other planets), followed by a 'conference' delivering personal guidance and then planetary warnings.

Four consistent message areas appear regardless of ET species — Grays, Mantids, tall whites, or humanoids: (1) nuclear weapons and material are causing damage in dimensions humans are unaware of; (2) war and aggression are unacceptable; (3) environmental destruction must stop; (4) greed and corruption are noted concerns.

Navy medic Kevin Cammon's onboard encounter with Mantid beings approximately 15 feet tall — seated on white stone throne-like chairs on a dais — included a holographic star chart showing their distant home planet and a window display of future Earth disasters: 'Since you started exploding nuclear bombs, this started a countdown clock and all these events will happen and you cannot stop them.'

Cammon's bunkmate, who arranged the encounter, had previously described Cammon's childhood home in accurate detail including a shag rug and a milkshake stain on a car seat — details from 10 years prior — suggesting ET access to personal histories across time.

The Mantids told Cammon they speak every language on Earth easily and that human governments do possess ET technology. When asked to go to their planet, Cammon declined: 'I felt like a bug next to them.'

Faded Giant by Robert Salas documents the March 1967 Malmstrom AFB incident in which UFOs shut down independently operating nuclear missiles. Dennett interviewed subcontractor Mel Hansen, who witnessed stars disappearing over a missile site before it went offline through three successive backup power systems — diesel, then battery — all knocked out sequentially.

The modern UFO era beginning in 1947 coincides precisely with the atomic age, and Dennett argues this is not coincidental: 'When you started, you really caught the attention of everyone out here' — a message repeated across dozens of independent contact accounts.

Whistleblowers, Reverse Engineering, and the Secret Government

A subcontractor at Edwards Air Force Base told Dennett he witnessed a mirror-finish craft the size of a small sports car hovering silently in a hangar. Years later, his employer revealed under pressure: 'What you saw was reverse engineered from ET technology using counter-rotating magnetic fields — we can create a magnetic field on the outside of the craft which propels it in the desired direction.'

Ray Sachs, whose employment Dennett verified, witnessed a USO pacing the nuclear-armed submarine USS Clamagore at over 100 knots — well within a quarter-mile near-miss threshold — for 10-15 minutes while sonar detected nothing, before the sub's engines inexplicably failed completely and then restarted.

An anonymous Alaska underground base worker told Dennett through an intermediary that the 7-story facility worked on three classified areas: sensing devices that see through solid objects, biological warfare beyond public knowledge, and electromagnetic devices reverse-engineered from ET craft.

Dennett's assessment of the real power structure: 'The real government is the intelligence agencies, the military-industrial complex — the energy industry, the banking industry, the insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry. These are the folks I think are behind the coverup.'

Researcher Frank Feschino's Shoot Them Down is cited as laying out in black and white the government's shoot-down policy, supporting Dennett's argument that clear 8K footage of craft with readable symbols exists but is being withheld.

On the recent government disclosure releases: 'I predicted this — we're going to see more fuzzy dots. And we did.' Dennett argues true disclosure requires admitting to the 1952 Capitol flyover, Malmstrom, Roswell, and the Bob Jacobs video at minimum.

Mantid Beings, Humanoid ETs Walking Among Us, and High Strangeness

Mantid beings consistently appear as overseers rather than frontline contacts — positioned at the back of craft, seated on elevated throne-like chairs, described as 15 feet tall with claw-like hands and long arms with two segments. Kevin Cammon's account, corroborated by Dolly Safran's description in Symmetry, places them in positions of clear authority over smaller Grays.

A teacher in Fallon, Illinois jogging at 3 AM encountered what she initially thought was a man on stilts — a 15-foot Mantid walking under a streetlight, with a large triangular head and basketball-sized eyes — around the time of the 2006 Chicago O'Hare airport incident.

Human-looking ETs walking on Earth share three identifying markers across cases: unusual behavior, unusual appearance, and unusual clothing. They frequently communicate telepathically, sometimes with the message 'she can see us' when a witness notices them.

Cases include a 4-foot figure in a fisherman's cap and gloves at a gas station who followed John Hunter Gray's family before their onboard experience, and a hardware store encounter with two identical 6'9" women walking in perfect lockstep whom no other customers noticed.

Debbie Jordan Coble, whose case is documented in Budd Hopkins's work including Witnessed, encountered an ET on a bus — one of multiple cases Dennett has collected of apparent ETs in mundane public settings.

ET phone calls represent a documented sub-phenomenon: anomalous calls with no number displayed, filled with clicking sounds and strange voices delivering messages like 'the time is coming.' Dennett connects this to Betty Andreasson's similar experiences documented in The Andreasson Affair and physicist Jack Sarfati's famous call.

Contactees frequently return from experiences with dramatically elevated bioelectric fields, causing them to knock out electronics — TVs, computers, copiers, fax machines, light bulbs. Dennett argues this is not poltergeist activity but uncontrolled telekinesis resulting from psychic enhancement during ET contact.

UFOs, Bigfoot, Little People, and the Broader Phenomenon

Dennett estimates approximately 200 cases connect UFO sightings with Bigfoot encounters — statistically small but consistent. His own experience in the LA National Forest involved a 20-second roar with both high and low tones that resonated in his chest, unlike any known animal.

Dennett's theory on the Bigfoot-UFO connection: Bigfoot may be a terrestrial species that is itself being contacted by ETs in the same way humans are — studied, examined, and perhaps communicated with telepathically, as several witnesses have reported.

Dennett distinguishes little people — gnomes, elves, dwarves — as likely real but probably interdimensional rather than extraterrestrial, citing a Colorado case where an elf appeared to a child 4-5 times, manipulated objects, and explained 'we're tied to this location' when asked to relocate.

The Jacques Vallée framework presented in Passport to Magonia — that all anomalous phenomena represent a single intelligence wearing different cultural masks — is one Dennett explicitly rejects: 'I don't lump all this phenomena into one thing. I don't think they're time travelers from the future. They're certainly not demonic.'

The 19th-century airship wave is tentatively attributed by Dennett to human technology rather than ET craft: 'These are people — I honestly think that's us, technology that was being tested out.' Zeppelins were invented in 1903, but Dennett notes the airship wave predates that, suggesting classified human aerospace development.