The episode features Jesse Michels investigating tridactyl (three-fingered, three-toed) mummified bodies discovered in Nazca, Peru in 2015, joined by filmmaker Michael Mazzola and Yes Theory's Amar Kandel. The investigation includes interviews with top forensic experts from Peru, Mexico, and the United States who examined the specimens.
The bodies were found by gravedigger Leandro in a cave containing over 200 body parts, isolated heads, limbs, and intact bodies covered in diatomaceous earth. Carbon dating ranges from 700 to 18,800 years ago, overlapping with the Nazca period. Three dominant body types exist: S-types (small winged creatures), J-types or 'reptilians' (2-3 feet tall with geometric features), and M-types or 'hominids' (4-5 feet tall with intact organs).
The episode explores the Nazca region's mysterious history, including the famous Nazca Lines (geoglyphs only comprehensible from 150-500 meters in the air), ancient cranial deformation rituals, and frequent UFO sightings. The investigation examines medical imaging, genetic data, metal implants containing rare earth elements, and connections to global UFO cases.
Michels addresses widespread skepticism stemming from Reuters conflating these specimens with wooden tourist figurines confiscated at Lima airport, while documenting the Peruvian government's alleged bad faith actions and announcing plans for definitive ancient DNA analysis through Colossal Biosciences.
Forensic Expert Consensus on Specimen Authenticity
John McDowell, president of American Forensics Association and Grand Wall Award winner, examined bodies in person with Jim Caruso, chief medical examiner for Denver. "There's data to show that some of these bodies can be interpreted to be perhaps living organisms" - McDowell
Dr. David Ruiz, president of Peruvian Society of Legal Medicine, states definitively these are real nonhuman beings. "Never in the 8 years I've been researching have I mentioned or said the word extraterrestrial. Never. We are talking about humanoid species" - Ruiz
José Zalce, chief of medical division for Mexican Navy, claims DNA analysis shows 70% known DNA but 30% completely different. He speculates beings might be extraterrestrial due to genetic dissimilarity from humans
All three forensic teams specifically looked for deliberate mutilation of fingers and toes, finding no evidence. "It's not that they cut off one finger or the other finger. The bodies are real. You'd need to be the best surgeon in the world to do that and replicate" - expert statement
Medical Imaging Reveals Anatomical Consistency
CAT scan DICOM files show complete internal anatomy including capillaries nourishing eggs inside J-type specimens. Independent researcher Gonzalo Chavez documented this on tridactyls.org with publicly available medical imaging
Monzerat specimen contains what appears to be tridactyl fetus inside body, discovered during live tomography scanning. "If you sent that to a normal doctor who is used to evaluating fetus health, they would say 'Oh, that baby only has three fingers'" - Dr. Ruiz
Skulls show no stress fractures typical of traditional headbinding rituals. "In the skull of Maria, if you saw the tomographies, you can't see any line of artificial deformation" - Dr. Ruiz
Bodies retain fully intact organs, technically not mummies. Preservation occurred through diatomaceous earth (desiccant) rather than traditional mummification processes
Rare Metal Implants Predate Western Discovery
Metal implants contain osmium and cadmium - osmium is 1,500 times rarer than gold, with only 100kg to 1 ton extracted globally per year (roughly weight of newborn elephant to Honda Civic)
Osmium and cadmium were only officially discovered by Western world in 19th century, yet appear in implants on bodies carbon-dated over 1,000 years ago
Organic tissues are fused to implants through osseointegration process, indicating beings were alive when implants were placed. X-rays show cervical traumatic injury repaired by metal plate
Population geneticist Alan Erros theorizes implants might modulate bioelectricity to control gene expression. ChatGPT analysis suggested osmium would make excellent brain-machine interface material due to low oxidation underground
Genetic Mutation Found in NCBI Database
Bioinformatics expert Elena Hardy discovered GLI3 gene mutation in NCBI database associated with polydactyly (fusion of fingers or extra digits). "There's a mutation in one of those genes that could cause changes in digit development" - Hardy
GLI3 mutation is part of Sonic Hedgehog pathway, extremely rare and not widely known in genetics community. Similar mutation found in Chinese family causing developmental disabilities and digit disorders
Hardy notes this obscure genetic mutation is "definitely not known by the huaquero gravediggers who dug up the bodies in the first place," adding credibility to genetic findings
Some mutations like ostrich feet in African tribes can be adaptive in certain environments and persist over time, suggesting tridactyl features could represent similar adaptation
Nazca Region's Mysterious Archaeological Context
Nazca Lines are massive geoglyphs up to 30 meters long, only comprehensible from 150-500 meters in air - far higher than any local vantage points. "These drawings were made to be seen from the sky" - researcher
No excavation roads lead to main carvings despite massive displaced earth, which would be necessary even with modern civil engineering techniques. Frequent UFO sightings reported in area
Tridactyl beings depicted throughout Nazca cave art and woven fabrics. One Nazca line resembles astronaut, another in Chile depicts being with three fingers
Ancient Nazca and Paracas cultures practiced cranial deformation rituals to imitate gods and denote priestly class. "Across cultures they have cranial deformation techniques to mimic the quote unquote gods" - researcher
Local dialect translates region name as "laboratory where cloning and hybridization were done" according to 2004 book by local Nazca author
Peruvian Government Obstruction and Bad Faith
Reuters published story conflating wooden tourist figurines confiscated at Lima airport with real mummies, creating widespread belief case is hoax. "I repeat, that one is fake. It's craftsmanship constructed, built" - Flavio Estrada
Jaime Maussan filed $300 million defamation lawsuit against Peruvian government for claiming he's pushing hoax. Government raided press conference with federal police and prosecutors
University of Ica vice president Martin Alarcón reports government made seven attempts to confiscate bodies from university. "The intention, I don't know why, was to take these bodies and the university had to fight for them to stay" - Alarcón
Government falsely accused Dr. Roger Zuniga and other respected scientists at University of Ica of being grave robbers manipulating human remains, demonstrating clear bad faith motive
Dr. José Zalce spent five days in jail after Mexican Navy accused him of lying and risking system's honor. "They said save me, please do not continue the investigation. I say I can't stop because I believe I'm doing something real and important" - Zalce
Connections to Global UFO Cases and Disclosure
UFO whistleblower David Grush told Representative Eric Burlison that Nazca mummy physiology is "congruent with what he has seen in briefings in his former role" at Pentagon
Varginha, Brazil case documented in James Fox's Moment of Contact also featured beings with three fingers. Jonathan Weygandt described Peru UFO crash retrieval with "four-fingered arm hanging limply from open hatch"
2011 Russian snow alien case in Irkutsk Oblast near nuclear assets shows being nearly identical to Nazca J-types. Video has 12 million views, students claimed hoax using "breadcrumbs, plasticine, and chicken skin"
Russian case occurred one month after mass UFO sighting in same region near 29th Guards missile division with live nuclear-armed mobile ICBMs at object 644
Beings resemble Close Encounters of the Third Kind aliens. Ronald Reagan told Steven Spielberg at White House screening: "There are a number of people in this room who know that everything on that screen is absolutely true"
Competing Theories on Species Origin
Dr. David Ranell hypothesizes Maria is natural hybrid between Asian and African ancestors from 250,000 years ago. "There is great possibility that early human still wild may have migrated to Africa and encounter those organisms" - Ranell
Chilean researcher David Velasco speculates global subterranean species. Hopi legend describes "ant people" with three fingers and toes who provided underground refuge and survival skills
Possible Lazarus species - organisms thought extinct then rediscovered. Example: Orang Pendek in Indonesia where biologists believe Flores hominids might still be alive
M-types could be hybridization of J-type reptilians and humans, retaining tridactyl features but appearing mostly human. Alternative theory: M-types are deformed humans imitating real J-type beings
Anywhere from 21-30 hominids have walked Earth depending on classification. 5-10 new hominids discovered in just last 10 years, showing high discovery rate of previously unknown species
Colossal Biosciences Ancient DNA Analysis Plan
Colossal Biosciences, advised by Harvard's George Church (top geneticist globally), will conduct ancient DNA testing using proprietary techniques that successfully de-extincted dire wolf
Testing requires Peruvian government permission - their response will indicate whether they support scientific openness or want to gatekeep. "Are you pro-humanity and science or do you want to keep a lid on this thing?" - Jesse
Jesse offers to personally fund any genetics expert, paleoarchaeologist, or proteomics expert to fly to Peru and study bodies firsthand at University of Ica if Colossal permission fails
John McDowell proposes definitive test: "If these are tridactyl organisms, the DNA here ought to match the DNA here. DNA is most likely preserved in a tooth. If all areas match up, you've got an entity"
Debunks and Remaining Questions
Provenance issue: bodies found by huaquero (grave robber) Leandro who likely shows tourists wrong cave location. Cave shown appears too small for 200+ body parts and intact specimens
Anonymous proteomics expert found alpaca proteins on isolated J-type head using pipeline from Nature paper. "Peptide sequences ran through species identification came back as alpaca bone" - expert
UFO researcher Steve Mera reports two finger bones from Maria tested in Sri Lanka - one came back male, other female, suggesting possible contamination or inconsistency
Flavio Estrada now claims fingers on M-types were deliberately mutilated and lengthened using "cotton in joints and fast-drying synthetic adhesives like cyanoacrylates"
J-types appear morphologically non-adaptive. "I could take a look and very quickly tell you that organism couldn't walk, couldn't fly, was not mobile" - forensic expert
Actual source likely large subterranean tunnel system, not small cave. Multiple anonymous sources cite local cartel involvement and fear of retribution for revealing true location
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