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It’s So Hard To Find | Stop Looking For This

In this episode of the Daily Stoic Podcast, host Ryan Holiday, author and founder of the Daily Stoic, explores the core Stoic virtues of courage, discipline, justice, and wisdom. Holiday begins by discussing the rare luxury of contentment, noting that wealth often brings anxiety rather than peace, referencing Seneca's...

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Key Takeaways
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    According to Seneca and the song A Satisfied Mind, it is incredibly rare to find even one rich man in ten with a satisfied mind.

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    In Meditations, Marcus Aurelius warns against seeking 'the third thing'—which is expecting praise, recognition, or a favor in return for doing good.

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    The Stoics argue that doing the right thing is its own reward, comparing a good person to a vine producing grapes.

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    Ryan Holiday co-authored The Daily Stoic Journal 366 Days of Writing and Reflection on the Art of Living to help readers practice daily reflection.

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    Expecting a quid pro quo for good deeds leads to constant disappointment and makes one question the value of doing good.

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    Instead of tracking what others owe you, Holiday advises clearing your own debts and remembering those who have selflessly helped you.

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    The Daily Stoic podcast has achieved over 30 million downloads in the couple of years since its launch, according to Ryan Holiday.

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In this episode of the Daily Stoic Podcast, host Ryan Holiday, author and founder of the Daily Stoic, explores the core Stoic virtues of courage, discipline, justice, and wisdom. Holiday begins by discussing the rare luxury of contentment, noting that wealth often brings anxiety rather than peace, referencing Seneca's observations on the scarcity of a satisfied mind.

The core of the episode focuses on lessons from The Daily Stoic Journal 366 Days of Writing and Reflection on the Art of Living, co-authored by Holiday and Steve Hanselman. Holiday draws extensively from Marcus Aurelius's Meditations to explain why we must stop looking for 'the third thing'—recognition or reciprocity—when we do good. He emphasizes that doing the right thing is its own natural reward, urging listeners to forgive external debts and focus instead on expressing gratitude for those who have selflessly supported them over the years.

Why Contentment and a Satisfied Mind Are Rare Luxuries

Ryan Holiday highlights that despite having time, resources, and education, wealthy individuals rarely achieve peace of mind, echoing the song A Satisfied Mind.

"But little they know that it's so hard to find one rich man in 10 with a satisfied mind." - Ryan

Money introduces unique anxieties, including the fear of loss, comparison with others, social judgment, decision fatigue, and the burden of maintenance.

The Stoic Trap of Seeking the Third Thing After Doing Good

In this week's entry of The Daily Stoic Journal 366 Days of Writing and Reflection on the Art of Living, Holiday warns against expecting gratitude or favors in return for good deeds.

Marcus Aurelius describes this expectation of credit or a favor in Meditations as "the third thing," which corrupts the pure nature of doing good.

"When you've done well and another has benefited by it, why, like a fool, do you look for the third thing on top? Credit for the good deed or favor in return." - Marcus Aurelius

How to Do Good Deeds Without Demanding Recognition

In Meditations 5.6, Marcus Aurelius compares a good person to a vine producing grapes, a horse after a race, or a bee making honey.

"Such a person, having done a good deed, won't go shouting from rooftops, but simply moves on to the next deed, just like the vine produces another bunch of grapes in the right season." - Marcus Aurelius

Doing the right thing should be done simply because it is your job and it produces internal satisfaction, not as a quid pro quo transaction.

Holiday advises clearing your own moral ledger by forgetting what others owe you and actively paying back debts of gratitude to those who helped you.

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