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Rolf Mowatt-Larson served over two decades in the CIA, including as Moscow station chief during the Soviet collapse and Yeltsin coup attempt. He later became Director of Intelligence and Counterintelligence at the Department of Energy (2005-2008), briefing Presidents Bush and Obama on nuclear terrorism threats. His career included recruiting spies, running counterintelligence operations across Europe and the Middle East, and leading the CIA's Weapons of Mass Destruction Department after 9/11.
Beyond his intelligence credentials, Rolf claims extraordinary mystical experiences detailed in his memoir A State of Mind Faith in the CIA. These include receiving numerical downloads at West Point, time traveling to medieval Mount Athos where he lived as a monk, and physical encounters with the Virgin Mary. His experiences blend high-level national security work with profound spiritual phenomena, creating a unique perspective on reality, faith, and the intersection of the sacred and secular in intelligence work.
Time Travel to Medieval Mount Athos: The Odeus Maximus Experience
In 1991 at Mount Athos, Greece, Rolf fell asleep during an Orthodox service and experienced what he describes as literal time travel to the medieval era, becoming a monk named Odeus Maximus.
The experience felt completely real: 'Does all of this feel as real as this interview? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah' - Rolf, with time moving backward as he traveled from 1800s Paris to 1400s-1500s Mount Athos.
As Odeus Maximus, he lived for months in the monastery, eventually becoming a recluse who 'learned to fly' and 'burned his huts' - traditional ascetic practices that later found historical corroboration.
In 2005, returning to Mount Athos, Rolf discovered Saint Maximus the monk was a real historical figure known as a 'flying monk' who burned his huts, exactly matching his dream experiences.
Mystical Numbers and Presidential Briefings: From West Point to the Oval Office
At West Point in 1976, Rolf received mystical downloads of numbers 747, 3, 6, 9, and 49 during apocalyptic dreams, which his German girlfriend independently dreamed the same night.
The number 747 later connected to the July 7, 1947 Roswell date used in DOE's UFO hazing ritual and the Vela 747 nuclear incident involving South Africa and Israel.
As head of the WMD Department post-9/11, Rolf briefed President Bush on Zarqawi's location three weeks before Iraq invasion, recommending: 'Mr. President, I'd bomb it' - Rolf.
His mystical experiences informed his role as what he calls Ezekiel's 'watchman' - someone whose divine duty is to warn of apocalyptic threats, particularly nuclear terrorism.
Virgin Mary Encounters: From Brothels to Hotel Rooms
Rolf's first Virgin Mary encounter occurred during his 1991 time travel experience in 1800s Paris, where he found her in a brothel 'with these imploring eyes, just like the suffering of the world was on her shoulders' - Rolf.
In 1998 in Paris, the Virgin Mary appeared physically in his hotel room 'in a light so bright that it bore no resemblance to visible light' instructing him to 'write a letter to the Pope' - Rolf.
During the 1998 encounter, Rolf experienced his only state of ecstasy: 'I remember my teeth chattering... it was like an incredible orgasm of like beyond that... it was just an incredible feeling' - Rolf.
The Virgin Mary's final message emphasized spiritual non-attachment: 'Don't reach. God lies within you. Don't want. You have no needs. Don't strive. There is no purpose' - Rolf.
DOE Secrets and UFO Hazing Rituals: Nuclear Intelligence Operations
As DOE's Director of Intelligence and Counterintelligence (2005-2008), Rolf learned 'some of this nation's most important secrets at DOE, not CIA. DOE does stuff that, man' - Rolf.
DOE conducts elaborate UFO hazing rituals for new political appointees, briefing them in deep vaults about fake alien recovery programs with 'corpses on tables' before revealing it's a joke.
Despite his high-level DOE position, Rolf claims no knowledge of UFO incursions at nuclear facilities documented in UFOs and Nukes, suggesting compartmentalization: 'I would remember that' - Rolf.
The DOE's three components - energy research, pure science, and the National Nuclear Security Administration - conduct advanced propulsion and gravity research that could relate to anomalous phenomena.
Divine Physics and the Universe at Rest: Reconciling Mysticism with Science
At age 40 on a train, Rolf experienced direct divine presence with time slowing down and received the message: 'one church, one church. Do not criticize my church. The old and the new are one' - Rolf.
Rolf theorizes mystical experiences occur in a 'universe at rest' beyond the Big Bang universe, where 'time is a function of motion and matter' and divine reality exists outside space-time.
He challenges physicists to explain mysticism: 'There have to be physics behind it... It happens in this world. Therefore, there has to be an E equals MC squared' - Rolf.
Drawing parallels to flying saints documented in They Flew, Rolf suggests levitation and mystical phenomena represent 'manifestations of opening your mind' to non-physical realities.
Intelligence Integrity and the Deep State Question: Truth in Secrecy
Rolf maintains he knows of no 'deep state' after 54 years in intelligence: 'If there's a deep state, I want to know who's in it and where it's operating from' - Rolf.
He advocates for radical transparency on UFOs: 'I can't think of a scenario where it's better that the people don't know it than if they do know it' - Rolf.
During the 1993 Moscow coup, Russian intelligence protected CIA officers, demonstrating cooperation during crisis: 'We worked together, and it was astonishing' - Rolf.
Rolf's integrity principle in intelligence work: 'My credibility lies in not lying to them' even when dealing with adversaries like Russian or Syrian intelligence services.
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