The episode features Kirsan Ilyumzinov, former president of Kalmykia (Russia's only European Buddhist republic) and former president of FIDE (World Chess Federation), discussing his September 1997 extraterrestrial encounter. Kirsan held multiple prominent positions simultaneously, including membership in Russia's Parliament and Senate, earning two Guinness World Records.

Host David Rubin explores Kirsan's detailed account of being taken aboard an alien spacecraft from his Moscow penthouse apartment, an experience witnessed indirectly by his chief of staff Vasily, who searched the locked apartment for over an hour before Kirsan mysteriously reappeared from a thoroughly-checked bedroom.

The conversation covers Kirsan's relationships with world leaders including Putin, Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Henry Kissinger, and Pope John Paul II, as well as his meetings with mystics like Bulgarian prophet Baba Vanga and the Dalai Lama. Kirsan discusses how multiple world leaders have privately shared their own UFO experiences with him.

Topics include historical US-Soviet cooperation on UFO research, the abrupt cessation of lunar programs after classified briefings between Nixon and Brezhnev, Kirsan's advice to Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi before their deaths, and his vision for humanity's spiritual evolution toward interplanetary consciousness.

September 1997: Inside the Alien Spacecraft

On September 17, 1997, Kirsan was in his Moscow penthouse preparing to return to Kalmykia for Youth Self-Government Week when he heard a sound and saw "something like a translucent pipe glowing, made of some matter" extending from his open window.

"At first, I thought about whether to go or not, like any person would, because it was kind of in plain sight. But I decided to go. Everything unknown is interesting to me." - Kirsan

Inside the spacecraft, Kirsan found a space "like several football fields large" with many tall beings in yellow garments who communicated telepathically rather than verbally, similar to how Bulgarian prophet Baba Vanga answered questions before translators finished asking them.

The beings gave Kirsan a device on his chest that allowed him to breathe comfortably. "I pressed, and then it was easy to breathe again. I felt pretty comfortable. The air even smelled like the sea or the forest or something." - Kirsan

"I asked: 'Will we be here for long?' They said: 'We'll be back soon.' Then I remembered the science fiction stories I had read about time fluctuation... Maybe an hour will pass here, and on Earth a hundred or a thousand years will have passed." - Kirsan

Through a large porthole window, Kirsan observed what appeared to be "something like a fiery, like a planet giving off heat" where beings were collecting cylinders or boxes, suggesting the ship was moving through different dimensions or locations.

"I asked: 'Can you connect to the television from here?' I said: 'Why can't you address the people of Earth right now?'" The beings responded: "It's still early. You have not yet reached the level in your civilization's development to communicate with us." - Kirsan

"They asked, 'Do you converse with ants?' I say, 'No, well, we haven't learned to talk to ants yet.' We live in different dimensions." The aliens explained humanity's only achievement is cooking food instead of eating it raw.

"Every creature that lives in the Universe must go through certain stages, and you still destroy each other... You direct all your science and efforts towards inventing weapons to kill each other as much as possible." - The aliens to Kirsan

The Hour-Long Search: Chief of Staff's Account

Vasily, Kirsan's chief of staff for 40 years, arrived at the Moscow apartment at 11 AM with a driver and friend to take Kirsan to the airport. "I called him on the phone, but he didn't answer. So I decided to go up to the apartment, I had my own keys." - Vasily

"I ring the bell first, he didn't open. I unlocked the apartment with my key, went into one room, then another. He wasn't there, not in the kitchen either. Then I saw his clothes hanging. Two mobile phones were lying on the nightstand. I was surprised." - Vasily

The team searched for over an hour, checking every room multiple times, even calling police. Building security confirmed no one had left, and video cameras showed no departure, though "the camera wasn't looking at the sky."

"Some time passed, maybe an hour, and suddenly he appears from the bedroom, even though he wasn't there before. I was so surprised. Where did you come from, Kersen? You weren't here. He laughed and said, well, aliens took me." - Vasily

"They followed me into the bathroom and started touching me. Like, are you alive or not? I said, alive. Well, where were you? I said, I was flying with friends. They were showing me their ship or something like that." - Kirsan

When asked about communication with the aliens, Kirsan told Vasily: "At some subconscious level... through thoughts, most likely. But he didn't tell me much. Maybe there were some secrets, secrets from everyone else." - Vasily

The Decision to Go Public: Political Calculation

Kirsan took two sheets of paper to analyze going public. "I always start with the cons... If tomorrow I declare to the press that I've met with extraterrestrials, what would people think?" The cons list reached 10-20 points.

"Some PR? I was already well-known in the country and worldwide. I had an audience. Maybe it would bring in more votes? But it's the opposite." Kirsan concluded there wasn't a single pro to revealing his experience.

"As if in a dream, one night while I was sleeping, I heard, 'What are you afraid of? Why aren't you speaking? You met with us, didn't you?' I thought, 'What do I have to be afraid of?'" - Kirsan

"If a farmer had said it, or a doctor, or just an ordinary laborer, they would probably say he'd had too much vodka... So I've been thinking about it quite a bit. What if the president say it?" - Kirsan

At age 35, Kirsan held unprecedented positions: "I entered the Guinness Book of Records twice, as the youngest president in the world and as the only person who held two official positions at the same time" - president of both Kalmykia and FIDE.

"When I spoke about it, everyone just started laughing, mocking, and joking about it. And look, almost 30 years have passed already, and people still don't understand. To this day, they don't understand me." - Kirsan

World Chess Champion Garry Kasparov immediately called for Kirsan's removal: "What kind of president of the World Chess Federation can Kursin be if he has met with aliens? He must be removed and replaced. How can he possibly lead the Chess Federation if he's mentally unstable."

Putin, Yeltsin, and Russian Leadership Response

At a regular presidential meeting, Yeltsin asked Kirsan to stay behind. "He was choosing his words so carefully. Up there, on a spacecraft. He was being serious, but also somewhat joking. I said, 'Yes, something like that happened.'" - Kirsan

"'Is everything okay?' he asks me. 'All good?' I said. 'You mean, my mental state, right? Am I thinking clearly? I haven't gone completely mad.' He just stood up and gave me a pat. He said, 'All right then, carry on with work.'" - Kirsan

Putin invited Kirsan for a specific discussion after the experience. "After the presentation, he took off his jacket and then he said, 'Please tell me exactly how everything transpired, how it all unfolded.' It was a very polite conversation." - Kirsan

"He asked: 'Were you in your right mind then? You weren't drunk, were you? Everything was normal?' I said: 'Yes.' I was completely in my right mind." Putin then asked why Kirsan decided to speak publicly about it.

"Vladimir Putin's memory is truly phenomenal. He remembers everything with great clarity. We've known each other since 1993. It's been 32 years now." Kirsan first met Putin when he was vice governor under Anatoly Sobchak in Saint Petersburg.

"I know for a fact that this is of utmost importance, and many presidents and governments, leaders of countries, including Vladimir Putin, are involved. He takes everything very seriously. He examines every issue in great detail." - Kirsan

Nixon-Brezhnev Meeting: The Folder That Stopped Lunar Exploration

KGB Chairman Yuri Andropov told Gorbachev about a crucial meeting between Brezhnev and Nixon (or possibly another US president). "The President of the United States had a small folder like this that he opened and showed to Brezhnev." - Kirsan

"Something quite interesting was in that folder. But after that meeting, all research and all flights to the Moon suddenly stopped." Both US and Soviet lunar programs ceased immediately despite being in active competition.

"The United States and the Soviet Union were in a race back then, a competition to see who would send more ships to the moon... significant expeditions from both sides were already being prepared for deployment. However, following this crucial meeting, everything abruptly came to a complete stop." - Kirsan

"All funding for lunar exploration was entirely halted, both from the Soviet Union and from US. And what it all came down to, just as Gorbachev himself told me, was this very folder that the US President showed to our leader." - Kirsan

"Back then, there was a special department of administration within the KGB of the USSR for researching these unknown flying, and not just flying, but also underwater objects. They were found deep underwater." - Kirsan

US-Soviet Cooperation on UFO Encounters

"Of course, there were contacts and cooperation between the ministries of defense of the United States of America, the United Kingdom, and the Soviet Union. If these contacts had not occurred, a nuclear war could have started." - Kirsan

"Very large, unidentified underwater craft were discovered and sighted in the Pacific Ocean. The United States Marine Forces believed it might be a new weapon developed by the Soviet Union, and on the other side, our submariners thought it was an American weapon." - Kirsan

"Not only there, it was found in the Baltic Sea, the North Sea region, and the Atlantic Ocean, everywhere. After that, despite everything, intelligence agencies and ministries began reaching out to each other... to prevent this collision." - Kirsan

During Kirsan's 1981 military service in special forces communication troops on the Black Sea, "several dozen unidentified craft flew in directly. People even photographed them with simple cameras."

"A commission arrived from Moscow, from the central headquarters. All the cameras were taken away and destroyed. Everyone was made to sign an agreement that nobody would say anything, that nobody saw anything in the sky, nothing at all." - Kirsan

When Kirsan spoke with NASA representatives in the 1990s, "he says, 'We officially record about 4,000 cases a year when people notice unidentified objects, like saucers, and some talk about their contacts.'"

Henry Kissinger's Knowledge and Vatican Research

Kirsan met Kissinger many times starting in 1990 as part of Soviet parliamentary delegations. "He is a chess player. A good one too. We played more than once. Back then, in the 1990s, when we used to meet, the conversations were usually only about politics." - Kirsan

During a visit to Kirsan's place with Gorbachev, "Henry Kissinger was watching me closely. He was a man of few words... Then he suddenly asked, well, how was it? I didn't understand. He was like, how are they? How are they feeling?" - Kirsan

"And Gorbachev sitting next to him said: 'Come on, Henry, tell him. You should tell him everything.' He just smiled, but he did not say anything at the time." - Kirsan

"From our discussion, I understood that he is very familiar with the materials, that he is well-versed and very deep in the subject, and that he knows a lot about the materials and the documents that are located at the United States President's Administration or CIA or NASA." - Kirsan

"In the late 80s, the Pope signed a decree and a special observatory was established. Right there, inside the Vatican, they've opened an observatory and appointed one of their bishops as the director for research into all these extraterrestrial civilizations and UFOs." - Kirsan

When Kirsan met Pope John Paul II in 1994, "He had this phrase, well, not exactly a phrase, but the idea was that we are not alone, we are not alone in this Universe." The Pope debated reincarnation with the Dalai Lama.

World Leaders' Private UFO Experiences

"After I gave that interview, dozens and even hundreds of politicians, even presidents of countries, told me that they had met them too... They took me, and maybe they took some housewife and a pilot and someone else." - Kirsan

A president of a G7 country confided in Kirsan at dinner. His wife said: "'Well, you saw it too. We saw it when you were on vacation at the ocean. Tell him.' He says, 'Am I stupid or what? I have parliamentary elections in six months.'" - Kirsan

"They'll say that the party leader, the president of the country, is a bit crazy, the people there will never elect. I didn't say right away that I met them. I thought for a long time about whether to say it or not." - The unnamed president

Another president of a large country witnessed UFOs while fishing with his wife. "He says, 'Well, how am I supposed to talk about it? I have elections coming up. I am the president of this country, the leader of the party. I'm not yet as crazy as you are.'" - Kirsan

World Chess Champion Vasily Smyslov approached Kirsan at a Kremlin reception. "He took me aside by the elbow... He leaned in slightly to my ear so no one would hear and said, 'Kirsan, tell me, tell me, did you actually meet them?'" - Kirsan

In 1974, Smyslov was preparing for a match in Germany when "an alien appeared right before him... not a physical being, but more like an image, a translucent entity" that moved chess pieces showing him the entire match, which then played out exactly as shown.

"If I had said anything, they would have taken me to a nuthouse." Smyslov's wife advised him never to speak publicly. "But I did spoke up. And he was like: 'Well, you're the president, they probably wouldn't risk taking you there just yet.'" - Smyslov to Kirsan

Baba Vanga: The Bulgarian Prophet's Predictions

"The Academy of Sciences of France and Belgium officially recognized her back in the 70s, 50 years ago, as humanity's number one phenomenon." Baba Vanga was blind from age 12 but could see past and future events.

"She was a blind old woman... people stood in line for her. They booked appointments a year in advance. English bankers, Arab sheikhs, prime ministers, and heads of state all signed up." Kirsan met with her 20-40 times.

"She calmly moved between the future and the past. She could see such a unique gift... It's as if something just opens up, like a channel, you know? Like a kind of corridor." - Kirsan describing Baba Vanga

When 29-year-old Kirsan asked about business locations, "I didn't even get to finish the question. She could read minds... all of a sudden, she tells me, ah, you'll go back home, you'll be the leader, you'll be president there."

"Half a year later, I'm nominated as president, a candidate for the presidency of Kalmykia... And yet, I won. And the day before that, it was still completely unclear. They didn't even count the ballots, but a telegram arrived from Bulgaria. It said 'Kalmykia' to President Kirsson." - Kirsan

In April 1995, Baba Vanga called saying she saw "two Khirsans, two presidents." Six months later, on November 24, 1995, Kirsan was elected president of FIDE in Paris, becoming a "double president" as she predicted.

"From ten of them, eight predictions came true... around 90%, 95%. Even judging by my own experience, yeah, a lot of the things she told me, a year later, 10 years later, 20 years later, they came true." - Kirsan

About extraterrestrials, Baba Vanga said: "'What's wrong with you? Are you stupid or what? Can't you see? It's all around you. There it is, there it is. It's absolutely everywhere. It's here and it's there on the ground, and underneath the ground, and up in the sky.'" - Kirsan

Chess as Extraterrestrial Technology

"Chess, it's something that was brought in from somewhere else. Man didn't invent them, you see. Aliens invented it. Extraterrestrials invented it. Other civilizations invented it." - Kirsan

"Why does the chessboard have exactly 64 squares on it? 64 squares! Our DNA is made up of 64 DNA-coids. This is, you know, like, information transfer." - Kirsan

"In all the chess sets that were found in America, in Peru, in China, in India, in Japan, everywhere there are black and white squares. Black and white. What does that mean? It's yin and yang, good and evil, man and woman." - Kirsan

"In Mongolia, there are archaeological excavations, burial mounds. And in one of these burial mounds, they actually found these kinds of figures, some of which are more than 5,000 years old." Similar ancient chess pieces found in Peru and Latin America.

"Back then, there was no communication, no internet, nothing at all. So how did chess get here? It must have been brought here by another civilization. For what purpose? In order for a person to become a bit smarter, it's necessary to develop your mind." - Kirsan

"I tried to introduce chess in schools, so children would start playing from childhood. Why? Because chess is the only activity that allows you to train both the left and right hemispheres, to look one move ahead, two moves ahead, five moves ahead." - Kirsan

Kirsan presented traditional Kalmyk chess made of felt and animal bones, explaining that nomadic peoples under Genghis Khan all played chess. "These chess sets were crafted from felt... the pieces are all made from bones of different animals."

Kalmykia's Interplanetary Constitution

"In 1993, when I became president of the Republic of Kalmykia, I abolished the old constitution and we adopted a new one... And in 94, we had a new article 10, our article number 10." - Kirsan

"It states that all citizens of the Republic of Kalmykia, meaning everyone living in Kalmykia, are responsible for everything that happens on the planet, on Earth. For hunger in Africa, for the ozone hole, let's say, somewhere over Australia." - Kirsan

"We wrote in there that we are responsible not only for the problems on the territory of the Republic of Kalmykia or the Russian Federation, but that we carry responsibility for the continuation of life on Earth." - Kirsan

"Thanks to that Constitution, in the schools of the Republic of Kalmykia, students began receiving lectures on ethno-planetary thinking. We began developing ethno-planetary thinking in children, an ethno-way of thinking." - Kirsan

"A child's consciousness, a young person's consciousness, wouldn't be confined by the borders of their city or by the borders of the United States or France or Russia, but by the borders of the North and South Poles. Our Earth is our home." - Kirsan

Kirsan conducted an experiment where "we handed over all the power in the republic to young people under 25, from the position of President of Kalmykia to ministers, the prime minister, and district heads" for Youth Self-Government Week.

Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi: Final Warnings

Kirsan met Saddam Hussein frequently starting in 1993 with a mandate from President Yeltsin. "I had a mandate then from the President of Russia, Boris Yeltsin. I came there, talked with him many times. We even managed to hold a chess championship there among the Arab countries." - Kirsan

Before the Iraq invasion, Kirsan flew to Baghdad with a proposal: "Let's go to the Al Rashid, the journalists are there. We put all of them on a bus, and on that bus we go to the warehouse... Open all the warehouses, let the journalists film everything." - Kirsan

"I said: 'Well, I am a chess player. I look multiple steps ahead. Let's go through this. There's nothing bad here... You're telling me this now, you're telling your son, your ministers, but tell this to journalists. They're all over the world now.'" - Kirsan

"He said nothing, in shock. Then he took time to think. He didn't answer right away. He said, 'This is very unexpected.'" Two hours later, his son Kusey arrived: "'My father refuses, he won't do it.'" Days later, Iraq was bombed.

With Gaddafi on June 12 (Russia Day), Kirsan set up a chess game for cameras. "I said, there is the cameraman, he will come in now, let him film it and they will show it on Libyan television. In a minute, all the TV channels in the world will show it." - Kirsan

"He became very serious then and said: 'They will kill me. I can feel it.' I said: 'Well, come on, let's fly out, let's go. There are planes, you can leave the country, so there will not be a big war here.'" - Kirsan

"He said: 'No, my adopted daughter is buried here. My 10-month-old granddaughter was killed by the bombs... And in this very soil, my ancestors are buried. I know that they will kill me, and it will be a very difficult death. But I will remain here on my own land.'" - Gaddafi

Russia-Ukraine Conflict and Putin's Peace Position

"Putin, the President of the Russian Federation, is doing everything, everything to stop the war. So that those conditions, not conditions, but those principles, those principles of agreement between Russia and Ukraine, which our President put forward... It's all on the table." - Kirsan

"If these principles had been followed, and if the Western countries had followed them too, including the United States of America, there would be no war in Ukraine. It just exists now. We do not call it a war, we call it a special military operation." - Kirsan

"Vladimir Putin, at the meeting, when they met far away in Alaska with the President of the United States, Donald Trump, he confirmed our conditions again. They are on the table, they are all visible, the truth should prevail." - Kirsan

"What exactly is politics? Or what is diplomacy? They are fundamentally a constant struggle of compromises. This means that every single side must make some kind of movement." - Kirsan

"The history of humanity always tells us this: every armed conflict, stretching back to the most ancient times, even when our ancestors were hunting mammoths, invariably concludes with peace. And I truly hope that peace will ultimately prevail on this Earth." - Kirsan

Regarding Zelensky's legitimacy: "He was once elected by the people, but now he is considered... Well, the elections were not held, and our side considers him illegitimate now, believing that elections should take place there." - Kirsan

Putin's NATO Proposal and Global Unity Vision

In the early 2000s, after the Berlin Wall fell and Germany reunited, "Vladimir Putin made a true chess move. He then suggested to Western countries that Russia could also join NATO with Russia." - Kirsan

"The confrontation was between NATO and the Warsaw Pact. Now the Warsaw Pact is disbanded, it's all gone. The communist idea, gone. So now we have a common enemy, terrorism. Osama bin Laden was the face of it then." - Kirsan

"When September 11th happened, Putin was the very first president to call the President of the United States of America to express condolences to the American people and the President of the United States." - Kirsan

"The President of Russia said: 'Why don't we unite together in the fight against a common evil? Yes, terrorism. But on the other hand, there are good and not-so-good extraterrestrials, right? Some of them might even want to enslave our Earth.'" - Kirsan

"When a huge asteroid is flying toward us, something like that could wipe out our entire civilization. So we also need to prepare a kind of weapon that could break up that asteroid before it even reaches Earth. That's what our President of Russia meant." - Kirsan

"But back then, they didn't listen to that idea. And if they had followed through, if a dialogue had begun, it would have been good for us, ordinary people, for us simple citizens of Earth." - Kirsan

Underground Civilizations and Unexplained Phenomena

"I don't just think, I am sure, I know" there are underground civilizations. "Even Baba Vanga told me. Sometimes she would point down with her finger and say, 'They are talking there, they are there.'" - Kirsan

"When I was in the Caucasus, when I was in India, in Tibet, in the Altai, they found traces there, places where someone lived or where someone still lives and comes out from there. For me, this is natural." - Kirsan

"There was a volcano recently, I forgot which one, lava was erupting. And in that magma they discovered living beings, microbes. So there is life even in that molten mass. If these microorganisms exist there, then other forms of life exist as well." - Kirsan

"In the Jangar epic, the underworld is described, how creatures live there, how they communicate, how they come to the surface. Sometimes they don't come out, they get recorded, that's how it is." The Kalmyk epic is millennia old.

"We're launching cosmic vessels, sending satellites to Mars, to Venus, way, way out into deep space... Yet we can't construct an underwater device that could descend to a depth of 10 or even 11 kilometers. Quite remarkable, isn't it?" - Kirsan

"If you take the Earth's crust, like an apple, just imagine an apple, then the Earth's crust is like the peel of that apple. And the rest, down to the Earth's core. How many thousands? 40,000 kilometers... How many different beings, different civilizations live there?" - Kirsan

Ancient Artifacts and Impossible Technologies

"When you look at the old irrigation systems, the whole water supply, the melioration work in Egypt, things no computer today could really calculate, or the buildings in Peru or in Lebanon, in Egypt, the pyramids, they built it with such precision." - Kirsan

"Right now, no modern technology can, you know, actually recreate that. Even the largest cranes we have today couldn't lift these hundred-ton stone blocks, the slabs used in building ancient palaces. Meaning a person today just couldn't build that." - Kirsan

"Take the pillar in the center of Delhi, in India. It's got 99.9% iron, and in modern conditions, no metallurgical plant, not a single blast furnace can produce iron that pure. You can walk right up to that pillar, touch it." - Kirsan

"In Brazil, when they're sawing through marble mountains, cutting marble slabs, they find pieces of a clock inside the marble. They even found a gear. How is that possible? This marble took millions and millions of years to form." - Kirsan

Leonardo Da Vinci "500 years ago, in the 15th century, to sketch a submarine, a helicopter, an airplane, advanced technical devices that would only be invented centuries later? Where did these ideas come to him from? This means they must have come from above." - Kirsan

Humanity's Spiritual Evolution and Brain Potential

"We keep looking out there, while we still haven't really studied what's going on right here in our own head. Our brain is right here, in our head, but it only works at 3-4%. Some use 1%, others maybe a little more, like those who play chess, perhaps 4 or 5%." - Kirsan

"95% of our brain remains unexplored. Perhaps, if we study the brain more... we will be able to move through space, we will communicate with each other, we will become much smarter, and so on." - Kirsan

"Every single year, we spend trillions and trillions of dollars on creating weapons just to kill one another. And imagine if all 203 countries... agreed and said, 'Let's take this year, and all those... a trillion dollars... and instead direct it toward the study of our human brain.'" - Kirsan

"If suddenly our Earth, through positive thoughts, good thoughts, bright thoughts, gives off even a tiny spark of light for a second, God would glance at it, and that would mean we received God's blessing." - Kirsan

"When all of humanity thinks about something good at the same time, then God will look at our Earth and we'll live well... If eight billion people all at once started thinking about kindness, about love, about compassion for one another, the Earth would sort of glow from within." - Kirsan

"Now we have an era, an era in Buddhism called the Buddha of Suffering, and now the Buddha of Compassion is going into the future, and another Buddha comes in his place, the Buddha of Love. So we are probably standing right on the threshold of meeting this Buddha of Love." - Kirsan

Kalmyk Heritage: Genghis Khan, Lenin, and Tengrianism

"Kalmyks, we are not Buddhists by nature, we are Tengrians. Tengri, translated from Kalmyk and Mongolian, means sky. We Kalmyks believe in the great sky. That is why I love space, why I flew into space, why aliens come here from space." - Kirsan

"When Genghis Khan began his great campaigns, the great Genghis Khan always turned to the sky. 'Oh, great sky! Oh, great Tengri! Give me strength, Tengri, give me strength, sky.' We draw our energy from the sky, from space, from the stars." - Kirsan

"There's another great Kalmyk who influenced the history of one sixth of the land on Earth, was our fellow countryman Vladimir Lenin Ulyanov... His grandmother was Kalmyk, and his grandfather was a Kalmyk named Ulyan. Ulyan is a Kalmyk word." - Kirsan

"When the Democrats wanted to remove him from there, to rebury him elsewhere, I spoke out in his defense as the president of Kalmykia. I said that if they did not want Lenin in Moscow, I was ready to move the mausoleum to Kalmykia." - Kirsan

In 1814, after defeating Napoleon, "the very first troops to enter the city were the Kalmyk cavalry Cossack regiments, riding on camels no less. Yes, they actually rode into Paris on their camels." Honoré de Balzac wrote Kalmyks in Paris.

Alexander Dumas "was invited by one of the Kalmyk warriors, our prince. He came to visit. He arrived in the Kalmyk steppes and lived there for three months, watching camel races and horse races, and he wrote a great deal about the Kalmyk people." - Kirsan

The Message: Creating Critical Mass for Contact

"I also ask them why they take some people. Like they took me, and tomorrow they might take you, and so on. So they want to create a critical mass. The more people who will somehow see them, contact them, talk about this, the faster human consciousness will come." - Kirsan

"Every person, you as well, the cameraman, anyone at all, all people are experts. All eight billion... Many thanked me, said 'thank you, thank you for saying it'. Now we will also say that we met them." - Kirsan

"In every person's life, there are moments when they saw something unusual. Maybe a craft flew by, or someone slipped in, someone came into the room, walking around, and you don't understand who it is... People don't talk about it because they're afraid." - Kirsan

"We need some kind of unified program, a program under the United Nations, one that would gather all this information, summarize it, work together with artificial intelligence, and then develop, well, probably a common approach." - Kirsan

"Such broadcasts, the interviews you conduct, they help reduce this cosmic illiteracy, I would say... If all this information were simply given to a common person, they could lose their mind. Humanity needs to be prepared gradually." - Kirsan

"If, after this interview, there are more people who understand it and respond with understanding, then we've done our job. But if they start criticizing it, saying that the respected journalist found some crazy guy... then it means we still have a lot of work to do." - Kirsan